Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXV - French disconnect in NYC?

[Daves a mess]

You’re talking about the Rangers? I think it’s very possible they run into cap issues but what you’re saying seems a bit extreme at this point lol

Whats "extreme" about my post lol?

 

[Mandar]

This is *still* a good idea and true.

Wait....you’re serious?

 

[CommaSynapse]

Whats "extreme" about my post lol?

I don’t even mind the Trouba or Panarin deals. It’s the Kreider one that kills me, and I hated it the moment it was announced.

A 6.5 million LW behind your 11.6 million LW was bad day one.

 

[DutchShamrock]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/26/rangers-blow-early-lead-in-loss-to-sabres/

It was Jack Johnson who took the penalty that had little to do with the play that gave the Sabres the power play at 11:38 of the first on which Dylan Cozens negated Kreider’s earlier score. The Rangers have allowed six power-play goals. Johnson has been on the ice for three of them and in the box for two of them. Libor Hajek, perhaps on Thursday.

Johnson has to sit, right? That's the kind of stuff they have to get away from. A coach that was serious about discipline and consistency should address his anchor hurting the team.

 

[pld459666]

Babcock is a piece of shit. Do Not Want.

Feel the same way about Gallant.

There has to be a reason he has never lasted three full seasons at any pro HC level.

And one stop told him to take a cab.

Thats not normal.

 

[Savant]

I look forward to the returns for *checks notes* Jack Johnson, Brendan Smith and Phil Di Giuseppe

good luck selling Kreider, Strome, ADA and that rotation of no-names filling out the roster.

. . . but if we sell all of the above we can land Eichel/Barkov

That’s why they get paid the big bucks. Find a way to get the cap off the books. Strome and ADA. I’m not delusional to think the return will be good, but if they can shed the dollars that will be the real value.

 

[Savant]

Feel the same way about Gallant.

There has to be a reason he has never lasted three full seasons at any pro HC level.

And one stop told him to take a cab.

Thats not normal.

Who cares. I’d rather take three years and out for Gallant than watch Quinn do whatever the hell he is doing

 

[pld459666]

Who cares. I’d rather take three years and out for Gallant than watch Quinn do whatever the hell he is doing

I hear ya, but I'm not going have this young team suffer through a Gallant because Quinn failed

 

[Savant]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/26/rangers-blow-early-lead-in-loss-to-sabres/

Johnson has to sit, right? That's the kind of stuff they have to get away from. A coach that was serious about discipline and consistency should address his anchor hurting the team.

You (not specifically you necessarily) know how you are on here. Saying Johnson signing wasn’t that bad because it was a one year deal and not that much money. Guess what. He’s worse than Marc Staal and is actively killing them every night. Was always a terrible, indefensible signing and was never a need to try to justify it. Unless the goal was to tank this season then the lesson is you don’t need to have a big cap hit to be a terrible signing.

 

[Savant]

I hear ya, but I'm not going have this young team suffer through a Gallant because Quinn failed

Why are they going to suffer? Who do you want to coddle them? Wasn’t Quinn supposed to be the good coach with youth?

 

[pld459666]

Why are they going to suffer? Who do you want to coddle them? Wasn’t Quinn supposed to be the good coach with youth?

There are so many levels between coddling and Gallant.

We should look for the happy medium and not either end of the spectrum.

The world is a big grey area, its not black/white

 

[Savant]

There are so many levels between coddling and Gallant.

We should look for the happy medium and not either end of the spectrum.

The world is a big grey area, its not black/white

I mean we can simplify this - you can get a Jack Adams caliber coach right now, or you can have the mystery box.

 

[pld459666]

I mean we can simplify this - you can get a Jack Adams caliber coach right now, or you can have the mystery box.

I'll take the mystery box.

Expecting different results from what we know Gallant to be is foolish and asking for trouble in the very near term.

 

[Cag29]

if Laf (and Kakko to a lesser extent) were at least producing, this would be a lot easier to stomach. Missing the playoffs isn't the end of the world, its a bullshit fllukey shortened season with brutally unbalanced divisions. Its that a team that was so high flying and fun to watch last year looks like soggy dogshit and our highest draft pick ever is doing absolutely nothing thats got me all agitated. Plus the whole Jack Johnson affair.

Patience.

 

[Avery16]

Kopacka spent years with Gettinger, one with ADA while in the OHL.

 

[Savant]

I'll take the mystery box.

Expecting different results from what we know Gallant to be is foolish and asking for trouble in the very near term.

I don’t agree but that’s fine.

let’s take the youth development coach who doesn’t coach youth well and can’t set up an NHL team.

 

[aufheben]

I mean we can simplify this - you can get a Jack Adams caliber coach right now, or you can have the mystery box.

Lmao Vegas fired Gallant after 2 seasons.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lmao Vegas fired Gallant after 2 seasons.

They fired him while leading their division, and half a year after he took them to a Cup final. Something must have happened behind closed doors

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'll take the mystery box.

Expecting different results from what we know Gallant to be is foolish and asking for trouble in the very near term.

Because the last mystery box worked out so well for them.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lmao Vegas fired Gallant after 2 seasons.

2.5. Colorado fired Q after 3, his next gig turned out alright.

tbh the Vegas stint gives me some pause but not a whole lot. I’d like to know exactly what happened there because I don’t think it was entirely performance related.

If Montgomery has his shit together, id give him a go.

 

[Edge]

Why are they going to suffer? Who do you want to coddle them? Wasn’t Quinn supposed to be the good coach with youth?

Is he not?

Kakko looks light years better, ditto for Howden, we talk about how smooth the transition for Fox and Miller to the NHL has been.

We can point to flaws with Quinn, but I don’t think youth has been one of them.

 

[Edge]

It doesn’t matter who the coach is, within six months the honeymoon is over with the board.

It’s always been that way, even though the names change.

 

[Edge]

Gallant is a players coach. And that works well for a year or two before things start breaking down. What he’s shown thus far is that players tend to start tuning him out pretty quickly and the ROI diminishes from there.

Gallant at this point would only add another transition piece to the journey. He’s not the answer.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It doesn’t matter who the coach is, within six months the honeymoon is over with the board.

It’s always been that way, even though the names change.

Torts and AV were much longer. The majority had no problem with them for years until the team stop responding to them. Both were great coaches that brought us pretty damn close to the cup. Aside from those two you have the deadwood in Low, Renney, Sather and Quinn.

 

[Edge]

Torts and AV were much longer. The majority had no problem with them for years until the team stop responding to them. Both were great coaches that brought us pretty damn close to the cup. Aside from those two you have the deadwood in Low, Renney, Sather and Quinn.

Oh, that’s not what I remember on here. At all.

In fact, it’s adherence to the timeline was quite a fun topic on here. With similar rebuttals claiming past “ dead wood” had longer timelines than they did as well.