Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXV - French disconnect in NYC?

[bl02]

i do wonder why Bitteto hasnt played yet. Especially since we need him for the expansion draft

Get him in next game. For expansion reasons and can't be any worse than JJ. Also it's obvious they are not gonna play Smith more than JJ

 

[Bruner4329]

Outside of Panarin, Strome ,Zibanejad and Deangelo we are getting what we expect (and more from Miller) from everyone else. If the rest fall in line i like where we are.

This team was weak at center coming into the year and its now worse with FC out for 4-6 weeks. With Zibs struggling our centers have to be one of the worse in the league. Heck how many freakin face offs did we lose clean last night? This team never seems to learn. The lack of strength at center cost us the cup a few years ago against LA and prevented us from getting to the finals the next year. And now this group as a total is worse. Not sure how you expect the elite wings to step up when they are impacted by poor center play.

 

[JC704]

While I understand not everything is going swimmingly, what I will say is for the individual talent on this roster, they should easily be playing more "dynamic" than they are, and you simply don't see it. The more I see Quinn, the more I think he is capable of being an NHL caliber coach, but this is not the right "roster" or "fit" for him necessarily. I think he is certainly responsible for adjustments/improvements you see in players like Buchnevich, Chytil and to a certain extent Fox, but I'm not entirely sure he is the product of everybody else. The other question is how much better would those same players be playing with a different coach?

With those players, Mika, Panarin, Laf, Kakko, etc., this team should really be at least flying around more and playing with pace. Not really seeing that outside of select plays here and there in each game. I've posted on here saying you need to see 10 games, but the window is closing. you fall behind 10-15 games in now, it's too much of an uphill climb. Now you're staring at three seasons in the league without securing a playoff berth (I don't really count what happened last season). How much longer should a coach get under those circumstances? If a coach takes four years just to develop enough consistency to possibly make a playoff push, how much longer is it going to take him to figure it out once the playoffs roll around?

Good example of what I am trying to get at is Jared Bednar. Colorado was terrible (rebuilding) his first season there. Since, three playoff appearances, including one in his second season there that was much more ahead of schedule than people thought that Avalanche team was. Yes, the disappointing second-round exists are on him and his players, but that also means valuable playoff experience and slightly fresher legs than other contenders (St. Louis, Vegas, Dallas) out West. That organization is primed now to win the Stanley Cup within the next three seasons (I will be very shocked if they don't). We have yet to even reach the stage two part with Quinn. JD, Gorton and company should really start to evaluate his future if there is a better option out there, and there is (See: Gerard Gallant).

 

[Ola]

If we just look at the numbers in terms of cap allocation, it's no wonder this team is struggling. They have the absolute most amount of dead cap space this year.

At the same time, in a way, the year we currently are in can be a really good “window” year for a rebuilding team. The kids will start to get paid from next summer.

My point is just, just because we have a lot of dead space we don’t have to suck. Chicago won a cup at basically the same stage in their rebuild.

 

[Daves a mess]

I don't see trading your way out of this mess. Gms are going to be circling this carcass soon enough if this locker room doesn't get its shit together. Selling at 70% on the dollar is GM suicide.

This team needs a 3 game winning streak real bad. Real, real bad.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

@bobbop any chance AZ changed their mind on Dvorak? Strome would be perfect in the desert

I'd honestly even take Derek Brassard

Damn, I can't believe he is going to be 25 already in a week. Feel like we have been talking about him forever as a young center option. He really never did develop into that next step. I would pass on him at this point.

 

[bleedblue94]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

 

[RangersFan1994]

Damn, I can't believe he is going to be 25 already in a week. Feel like we have been talking about him forever as a young center option. He really never did develop into that next step. I would pass on him at this point.

i rather pony up for Keller

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

He's played 4 whole games this season..3 with Jack Johnson...

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Gorton has made a slew of contradicting moves that make me question if he has a long term plan

True but he then made a slew of moves to help fix that problem, while only having i think 2 more seasons with a high amount of dead cap.... BUT then screwed it up again with resigning Krieder to that atrocious contract

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

It's early in the season, lol. High chances are, he will rebound.

It would have still been a good move to lock him up that long at a cheaper deal, but alas, what's done is done.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Outside of Panarin, Strome ,Zibanejad and Deangelo we are getting what we expect (and more from Miller) from everyone else. If the rest fall in line i like where we are.

We’re not getting what we expect from Kreider, Trouba or Shesterkin as well.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't think Panarin is "not going" at the moment. He isn't playing lights out hockey but he isn't a problem.

He hasn't had steady linemates and Strome has been utterly terrible supporting the rush and on the forecheck. Tough for Panarin to look "good" when his game relies on breaking the puck up ice on a neutral zone rush and then forecheck/cycle to be effective.

He still is a point per game this season and more will come if his linemates bury chances and the powerplay gets going.

Our center depth to me is creating a lot of these issues. Tough to possess the puck and run the aggressive offensive style they play when they lose 2 out of every 3 faceoffs and Mika and Strome aren't producing and our only other productive center is Chytil, who is out for the next month.

Panarin was much quicker and got the line before he went east west last year, he hasnt be bad if you compare him to Blackwell, but he is far from what he was last year or with columbus. He needs to get moving.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This team was weak at center coming into the year and its now worse with FC out for 4-6 weeks. With Zibs struggling our centers have to be one of the worse in the league. Heck how many freakin face offs did we lose clean last night? This team never seems to learn. The lack of strength at center cost us the cup a few years ago against LA and prevented us from getting to the finals the next year. And now this group as a total is worse. Not sure how you expect the elite wings to step up when they are impacted by poor center play.

Could say the same in reverse, how can the centers play to their level without the wingers being impactful. Unfortunately it doesn't really work that way, the line as a whole has to work together and they all need to be better. I saw a lot of draws lost because the wingers didnt win the battle too.. its a team game.

 

[SA16]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

This is all still true. He should have been given a 6-8 year deal prior to last season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We’re not getting what we expect from Kreider, Trouba or Shesterkin as well.

Meant to include Kreider there, im ok with Trouba and goalies need games to get sharp in general.

 

[Ola]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

He started good in G1. Played very well up until the misconduct.

Kind of reminds me of Buch last season. He also started really well, play hard both ways and was very engaged without the puck. Then Buch got attacked by DQ and didn’t regain his form until late in the year. DQ got credit for “fixing” Buch.

If TD can regain his form, should DQ get credit for it? Why was TD scratched for 2 games? The game was over and he took one misconduct penalty. Sure that was unacceptable. But it was the first stunt he pulled like that on the ice in over a year. Now he has no confidence and has lost his form completely. I just don’t see why stuff are done. I don’t get it. The point is to win games. How does DQs coaching make us win more games? Everyone can see that the costs of his move are extreme.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He started good in G1. Played very well up until the misconduct.

Kind of reminds me of Buch last season. He also started really well, play hard both ways and was very engaged without the puck. Then Buch got attacked by DQ and didn’t regain his form until late in the year. DQ got credit for “fixing” Buch.

If TD can regain his form, should DQ get credit for it? Why was TD scratched for 2 games? The game was over and he took one misconduct penalty. Sure that was unacceptable. But it was the first stunt he pulled like that on the ice in over a year. Now he has no confidence and has lost his form completely. I just don’t see why stuff are done. I don’t get it. The point is to win games. How does DQs coaching make us win more games?

I don't know how a guy who has been a defenseman all his life has either no knowledge of the position or no will to play it. Ive had kids move from forward to d take less than half a season to get it, cant understand it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't see trading your way out of this mess. Gms are going to be circling this carcass soon enough if this locker room doesn't get its shit together. Selling at 70% on the dollar is GM suicide.

This team needs a 3 game winning streak real bad. Real, real bad.

You’re talking about the Rangers? I think it’s very possible they run into cap issues but what you’re saying seems a bit extreme at this point lol

 

[Savant]

You’re talking about the Rangers? I think it’s very possible they run into cap issues but what you’re saying seems a bit extreme at this point lol

If the Rangers are not in a solid playoff position in a month they need to be sellers again.

 

[Avery16]

I remember the crowd clamoring for us to give ada a 6-8 year deal to lock him in cheaper bc he was an elite offensive d man going forward and that our GM was an idiot for not doing so because it would cost us so much more down the road, those were good times...

This is *still* a good idea and true.

 

[Savant]

I asked this in the post-game thread too. Any chance we trade a 3rd for what Nick Holden was? Solid but unspectacular 3rd pairing D? The team clearly doesn't trust Smith.

They are just going to keep playing Johnson

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Let some other team fall on the Tony D long term deal grenade

The Rangers should be looking to lock Fox up for 8 years ASAP though

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If the Rangers are not in a solid playoff position in a month they need to be sellers again.

I look forward to the returns for *checks notes* Jack Johnson, Brendan Smith and Phil Di Giuseppe

 

[NYSPORTS]

If the Rangers are not in a solid playoff position in a month they need to be sellers again.

good luck selling Kreider, Strome, ADA and that rotation of no-names filling out the roster.

. . . but if we sell all of the above we can land Eichel/Barkov