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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXV - French disconnect in NYC?

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Assuming Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox and Shstyorkin will take up 25m combined on their next deals (6.25m average per player), our cap situation doesn't look too great with 51m tied up in 7 players until 2026.

Big Four: 25m
Panarin: 11m
Trouba: 8m
Kreider: 7m

That leaves you with roughly 30m to sign 14 more players. If you would add a guy like Eichel or Barkov for 10m-ish, you're left with 20m to sign 12 players. And that is without Buchnevich and Zibanejad
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Assuming Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox and Shstyorkin will take up 25m combined on their next deals (6.25m average per player), our cap situation doesn't look too great with 51m tied up in 7 players until 2026.

Big Four: 25m
Panarin: 11m
Trouba: 8m
Kreider: 7m

That leaves you with roughly 30m to sign 14 more players. If you would add a guy like Eichel or Barkov for 10m-ish, you're left with 20m to sign 12 players. And that is without Buchnevich and Zibanejad
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I feel like

A) We wouldn't have gone after Trouba if we knew how good Fox was going to be
B) We wouldn't have re-signed Kreider if we knew we were going to get Lafreniere

These two notions indicate to me that NYR would be willing to trade either player if it was convenient and worked within their respective clauses. That said to the degree management values size on the roster, maybe I'm wrong about Trouba.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Assuming Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox and Shstyorkin will take up 25m combined on their next deals (6.25m average per player), our cap situation doesn't look too great with 51m tied up in 7 players until 2026.

Big Four: 25m
Panarin: 11m
Trouba: 8m
Kreider: 7m

That leaves you with roughly 30m to sign 14 more players. If you would add a guy like Eichel or Barkov for 10m-ish, you're left with 20m to sign 12 players. And that is without Buchnevich and Zibanejad
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Have to love that krieder contract more and more and more lol.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Assuming Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox and Shstyorkin will take up 25m combined on their next deals (6.25m average per player), our cap situation doesn't look too great with 51m tied up in 7 players until 2026.

Big Four: 25m
Panarin: 11m
Trouba: 8m
Kreider: 7m

That leaves you with roughly 30m to sign 14 more players. If you would add a guy like Eichel or Barkov for 10m-ish, you're left with 20m to sign 12 players. And that is without Buchnevich and Zibanejad
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we're going to have to bridge a lot of them.
 
I asked this in the post-game thread too. Any chance we trade a 3rd for what Nick Holden was? Solid but unspectacular 3rd pairing D? The team clearly doesn't trust Smith.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I asked this in the post-game thread too. Any chance we trade a 3rd for what Nick Holden was? Solid but unspectacular 3rd pairing D? The team clearly doesn't trust Smith.
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Like it or not, Johnson, Smith, Bitteto, and Hajek are the options.

I don't think they don't trust Smith, I think they just have a love affair with Johnson, who, by the way fancy stats people, you were right about. I'm willing to admit when I was wrong. He's awful. Steve Kampfer was steadier.
 
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Fitzy said:
I feel like

A) We wouldn't have gone after Trouba if we knew how good Fox was going to be
B) We wouldn't have re-signed Kreider if we knew we were going to get Lafreniere

These two notions indicate to me that NYR would be willing to trade either player if it was convenient and worked within their respective clauses. That said to the degree management values size on the roster, maybe I'm wrong about Trouba.
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We shouldnt have resigned Krieder to begin with. Who cares if we were going to get Laf or not. I was against it the entire time. You cant pay a player who disappears for half the season or more 6.5m over 7 years WITH a NTC. He should be on the 3rd line. I cant wait to see all the Krieder lovers out there finally see that HE will be the contract that sinks this ship and the next buyout that will continue to hurt this team for the next decade.
 
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Oh really? Well, I wish for Gerard Gallant to be the new head coach of the New Yorkers starting today and for Panarin and Zibanejad not to suck and for Jack Johnson to be shot into the sun and for Alexis Lafreniere TO f***ING SCORE ALREADY.
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Dont forget to take away that Krieder contract and to trade deangelo for a center when we had the chance.
 
Chalfdiggity3 said:
We shouldnt have resigned Krieder to begin with. Who cares if we were going to get Laf or not. I was against it the entire time. You cant pay a player who disappears for half the season or more 6.5m over 7 years WITH a NTC. He should be on the 3rd line. I cant wait to see all the Krieder lovers out there finally see that HE will be the contract that sinks this ship and the next buyout that will continue to hurt this team for the next decade.
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Gorton has made a slew of contradicting moves that make me question if he has a long term plan
 
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If we just look at the numbers in terms of cap allocation, it's no wonder this team is struggling. They have the absolute most amount of dead cap space this year.
 
Chalfdiggity3 said:
We shouldnt have resigned Krieder to begin with. Who cares if we were going to get Laf or not. I was against it the entire time. You cant pay a player who disappears for half the season or more 6.5m over 7 years WITH a NTC. He should be on the 3rd line. I cant wait to see all the Krieder lovers out there finally see that HE will be the contract that sinks this ship and the next buyout that will continue to hurt this team for the next decade.
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I think the contract is horrendous but I do think he bounces back and could be ok for the next couple of years. If we can hold on until 2024, his NTC turns into a limited NTC. We can at that point package him with a pick to get rid of him. Not ideal, but that's the situation.

The whole situation is so frustrating as the rangers were just about to enter a situation with a ton of cap flexibility as the settled into the next phase of their rebuild, and blew up that advantage the moment they re-signed Kreider.
 
I'm not as concerned with the current level of play we are seeing. It seems like it's a bit of a 'perfect storm' as far as the fact that all of the veterans are playing somewhat poorly. The issue this season is that a 5-10 game stretch like this could kill the teams chances of making the playoffs but if I'm being honest, I'm not really setting the success bar at playoffs this year anyways. I like what I have seen from Fox, Kaako, Chytil, Howden and I like some of the depth guys they were able to find so far in Digi and Blackwell. Miller obviously has been a nice surprise and Lindgren has been solid. If we are looking at positives so far this season there have been quite a few.
 
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Outside of Panarin, Strome ,Zibanejad and Deangelo we are getting what we expect (and more from Miller) from everyone else. If the rest fall in line i like where we are.
 
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Outside of Panarin, Strome ,Zibanejad and Deangelo we are getting what we expect (and more from Miller) from everyone else. If the rest fall in line i like where we are.
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Yeah IU mean the team is losing games by a goal and the big guys are ALL not going. It's not exactly a terrible time, the issue is the length of the season
 
I don't think Panarin is "not going" at the moment. He isn't playing lights out hockey but he isn't a problem.

He hasn't had steady linemates and Strome has been utterly terrible supporting the rush and on the forecheck. Tough for Panarin to look "good" when his game relies on breaking the puck up ice on a neutral zone rush and then forecheck/cycle to be effective.

He still is a point per game this season and more will come if his linemates bury chances and the powerplay gets going.

Our center depth to me is creating a lot of these issues. Tough to possess the puck and run the aggressive offensive style they play when they lose 2 out of every 3 faceoffs and Mika and Strome aren't producing and our only other productive center is Chytil, who is out for the next month.
 
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@bobbop any chance AZ changed their mind on Dvorak? Strome would be perfect in the desert :naughty:

I'd honestly even take Derek Brassard
 
NYR Viper said:
I'm not as concerned with the current level of play we are seeing. It seems like it's a bit of a 'perfect storm' as far as the fact that all of the veterans are playing somewhat poorly. The issue this season is that a 5-10 game stretch like this could kill the teams chances of making the playoffs but if I'm being honest, I'm not really setting the success bar at playoffs this year anyways. I like what I have seen from Fox, Kaako, Chytil, Howden and I like some of the depth guys they were able to find so far in Digi and Blackwell. Miller obviously has been a nice surprise and Lindgren has been solid. If we are looking at positives so far this season there have been quite a few.
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if Laf (and Kakko to a lesser extent) were at least producing, this would be a lot easier to stomach. Missing the playoffs isn't the end of the world, its a bullshit fllukey shortened season with brutally unbalanced divisions. Its that a team that was so high flying and fun to watch last year looks like soggy dogshit and our highest draft pick ever is doing absolutely nothing thats got me all agitated. Plus the whole Jack Johnson affair.
 
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Fitzy said:
Like it or not, Johnson, Smith, Bitteto, and Hajek are the options.

I don't think they don't trust Smith, I think they just have a love affair with Johnson, who, by the way fancy stats people, you were right about. I'm willing to admit when I was wrong. He's awful. Steve Kampfer was steadier.
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i do wonder why Bitteto hasnt played yet. Especially since we need him for the expansion draft
 
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