Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXV - French disconnect in NYC?

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m watching a team that is 1-4-1.

If you think he's the reason for that i dont know what to tell you.

 

[Avery16]

Before everyone starts clamoring for Dunn- if we don’t move another D first we will certainly lose one of Dunn, Lindgren and ADA to Seattle or trade one beforehand at reduced value.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not sure why people think Eichel is still an option. Buffalo will move their franchise before they trade him.

 

[mas0764]

Before everyone starts clamoring for Dunn- if we don’t move another D first we will certainly lose one of Dunn, Lindgren and ADA to Seattle.

Especially given our start, I do not think it makes sense to start trading for players who are not expansion exempt. You don't even know if Dunn would be able to save this trainwreck.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How about this for a way to make the team better.

Step 1. The players we paid to be leaders in the shoresheet and leaders in the room get it together and be the players they were last year.

Step 2. See step 1.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Before everyone starts clamoring for Dunn- if we don’t move another D first we will certainly lose one of Dunn, Lindgren and ADA to Seattle or trade one beforehand at reduced value.

Only way a move like this for a LD would make sense is ADA. Or moving ADA in a separate deal. But I don’t see St Louis having interest in adding an offensive RD looking for a new deal a year from now.

 

[Miller1983]

Not sure why people think Eichel is still an option. Buffalo will move their franchise before they trade him.

I love the idea of Eichel (Who wouldn't) But I just don't see a world where they trade him. I would assume they would acquire anything and anyone to keep him from leaving.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I know the hate I will get for this but I might be the only one who thinks that Adam Fox is good, but not as great as people make him out to be just yet. Yes he does make some good plays with the puck but he does make a good amount of bone headed plays like fanning on passes and hanging on to the puck for too long. Kind of reminds me of a D version of Kevin Hayes in that regard. He is still our best overall RD at the moment but I’d take Miller over him right now.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's painfully obvious. We are going to have to overpay for a center.

We're thin and there's no one coming .

 

[Avery16]

It's painfully obvious. We are going to have to overpay for a center.

We're thin and there's no one coming .

We more or less made our bed by signing Strome to be 2C. I say we lie in it now, rather than overpay for a quick fix. Sure, our record will suffer and maybe we will change coaches. Not necessarily the worst that could happen.

Bide our time for Eichel or Barkov or similar, preferably signing Barkov at no asset cost.

 

[duhmetreE]

We more or less made our bed by signing Strome to be 2C. I say we lie in it now, rather than overpay for a quick fix. Sure, our record will suffer and maybe we will change coaches. Not necessarily the worst that could happen.

Bide our time for Eichel or Barkov or similar, preferably signing Barkov at no asset cost.

If we sign Barkov for no assets that most likely means Zibs is gone. We can't afford both.

No matter the scenario, we will have to trade for a cost-controlled center.

 

[Avery16]

If we sign Barkov for no assets that most likely means Zibs is gone. We can't afford both.

No matter the scenario, we will have to trade for a cost-controlled center.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. We will have a roster that is mostly cost-controlled. A lot of dead cap will be off the books. Possibly the cap could rise.

 

[Avery16]

Especially given our start, I do not think it makes sense to start trading for players who are not expansion exempt. You don't even know if Dunn would be able to save this trainwreck.

Certainly have to have a plan in place first, and if moving a player like ADA you need a clear indication that the team will significantly improve as a result.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I will say this. I think it was a grave mistake by the front office to have their development plan focus on winning. I get it that they were afraid because the organization has had such success in the past couple years as well as our team turning into a perpetual loser like Edmonton and Buffalo.

but the truth of the matter is you have to sit before you can stand, stand before you can walk, and walk before you can run. Playoffs should not be the focus. The young players need reps. Meaning they need to be put in prime positions with the ice time and freedom to make mistakes and learn from them. What we have is a coach with a managerial viewpoint behind them that supports benching our young players to teach accountability and at the same time classically conditioning them to be afraid to make plays. While at the same time, not enforcing those same rules to vets because the directive as that the team needs to win and make the playoffs. It’s basic psychology 101 and it’s how to lose a room because the players can smell it from a mile away. We need to be focused on the young players getting their reps in now, making the mistakes, and learning from them now during the regular season. Playoffs should be a secondary focus.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't know if that's necessarily true. We will have a roster that is mostly cost-controlled. A lot of dead cap will be off the books. Possibly the cap could rise.

I don't know if we can afford $20+ M for Zibs and a player like Barkov; then have enough space to re-sign, Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Shesterkin. Buch? etc

We dont know what the cap is going to do or how long it will take revenue to get back on course.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If you build a team around elite wingers, who will eventually get paid if they are as advertised, you are going to have to go “dumpster diving” at C for the most part barring a string of kids coming through.

The Pens only had high $ wingers in spurts - Neal, Kessel, etc were never long term fixtures. Crosby and Malkin were the fixtures and the wingers rotated through.

NYR may have to take a similar approach at C.

You can’t have 2-3 big ticket wings, 2-3 big contracts on D, and 2-3 centers making high end money.

 

[Avery16]

I don't know if we can afford $20+ M for Zibs and a player like Barkov; then have enough space to re-sign, Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Shesterkin. Buch? etc

We dont know what the cap is going to do or how long it will take revenue to get back on course.

I dont think we know it would cost $20+M. Probably one agreement would be longer than the other, allowing us to move from one as a younger replacement is projected to step up.

 

[Avery16]

If you build a team around elite wingers, who will eventually get paid if they are as advertised, you are going to have to go “dumpster diving” at C for the most part barring a string of kids coming through.

The Pens only had high $ wingers in spurts - Neal, Kessel, etc were never long term fixtures. Crosby and Malkin were the fixtures and the wingers rotated through.

NYR may have to take a similar approach at C.

You can’t have 2-3 big ticket wings, 2-3 big contracts on D, and 2-3 centers making high end money.

Make way for the Steve Rucchins, Andrew Cassells, Robert Reichels and Travis Greens.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I figure Buchnevich is going to get moved sooner rather than later, but they kinda almost have to keep him for the time being no?

Unless Kreider gets his head out of his ass and can make it work playing on the right next season. Every time they’ve put him on the right thus far he drifts back over to the left side

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I will say this. I think it was a grave mistake by the front office to have their development plan focus on winning. I get it that they were afraid because the organization has had such success in the past couple years as well as our team turning into a perpetual loser like Edmonton and Buffalo.

but the truth of the matter is you have to sit before you can stand, stand before you can walk, and walk before you can run. Playoffs should not be the focus. The young players need reps. Meaning they need to be put in prime positions with the ice time and freedom to make mistakes and learn from them. What we have is a coach with a managerial viewpoint behind them that supports benching our young players to teach accountability and at the same time classically conditioning them to be afraid to make plays. While at the same time, not enforcing those same rules to vets because the directive as that the team needs to win and make the playoffs. It’s basic psychology 101 and it’s how to lose a room because the players can smell it from a mile away. We need to be focused on the young players getting their reps in now, making the mistakes, and learning from them now during the regular season. Playoffs should be a secondary focus.

I couldnt have said it better myself. This along with the fact that Quinn has no system in place, we look like we play pond hockey out there on offense. The personnel decisions to not move strome down when he is playing poorly, or KEEP sitting Jack Johnson. The constant line shuffling and then tossing the new lines away after 1 period. The lack of coaching ability to put our young potential stars in a position to succeed, and when they do start to succeed they are demoted. I cant say this enough, Quinn is the biggest problem to this team now and for our future.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I figure Buchnevich is going to get moved sooner rather than later, but they kinda almost have to keep him for the time being no?

Unless Kreider gets his head out of his ass and can make it work playing on the right next season. Every time they’ve put him on the right thus far he drifts back over to the left side

I said it once, and ill say it again. Krieder and his contract are and will continue to hinder this team in the future. He should be playing 3rd line winger and yet he is making 6.5 over 7 more seasons.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Change the thread title to "French disconnect in NYC"

 

[NYSPORTS]

I figure Buchnevich is going to get moved sooner rather than later, but they kinda almost have to keep him for the time being no?

Unless Kreider gets his head out of his ass and can make it work playing on the right next season. Every time they’ve put him on the right thus far he drifts back over to the left side

Can’t keep everybody and the Rangers made their bed at the deadline last year. Beating a dead horse at this point.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You can’t have 2-3 big ticket wings, 2-3 big contracts on D, and 2-3 centers making high end money.

Don’t worry about the cap they cried. We need Eichel too.

smh - cap strapped already.

 

[LokiDog]

There’s no way around the fact that with Panarin and Kreider making 18.15M and the two franchise draft picks being wingers, we won’t be able to afford center depth if they reach their potential. The good news is it looks like we’ll get to bridge Kakko relatively cheap for another year or two after his ELC. But regardless, if Kakko and Laf come close to their potential, we’re looking at 30-35M in wingers. If want to keep Fox, Miller, Shesterkin AND have center depth something will have to give. Defense is more important than wing depth. I don’t see anyone lining up to take the Trouba or Kreider contracts off our hands. Eventually a tough decision involving a couple of good young players will probably have to be made to acquire a bonafide top six center. And no, Buchnevich/ADA/Strome and a prospect don’t get it done. Strome has no value. ADA’s value is lower now than it was this off season. Buch is becoming one of my favorite Rangers and is underrated but not a piece that brings back a top six C under 28ish. One day we’ll have to make a move and it will likely hurt. It will also likely make us better.