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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIX - Clever Title

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The Strome hate is pretty unwarranted. Considering how he was acquired, who he was acquired for and what his expectations were when he arrived, he has exceeded those expectations. Unfortunately, the goalposts have been moved to an extent that the current expectations of him are unrealistic.
The Strome trade was a win. He was never advertised as a 1C. We have nobody in the system that could replace his production right now.
 
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Bluto said:
The Strome hate is pretty unwarranted. Considering how he was acquired, who he was acquired for and what his expectations were when he arrived, he has exceeded those expectations. Unfortunately, the goalposts have been moved to an extent that the current expectations of him are unrealistic.
The Strome trade was a win. He was never advertised as a 1C. We have nobody in the system that could replace his production right now.
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You’ve got to move on from thinking that Strome is signed to $Spooner for Spooner years, and at a Spooner cap hit. There are real implications by his contract and his level of play does not justify them.
 
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BBKers said:
Would not Ryan Johansen, at a reasonable price, be a name to target as 1C/2C? Possibly in the offseason. Nashville needs a shakeup. Say we use Zib as a centerpiece for another younger C then too.

TDL
Strome for DeKeyser (DRW)
Hajek for Fredric (Boston)

NOW
Jeff Carter plus something small for ADA
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Pretty sure DeKeyser is the wings 7th D w another year on a bad contract

Carter won’t waive out of LA
 
Heckler81 said:
Maybe we can draft Center prospects in the 1st round.....Oh wait, we don’t do that.
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That’s not true.

Gorton’s 1st round picks:

2017: Andersson (C) + Chytil (C)
2018: Kravtsov (W) + Miller (D) + Lundqvist (D)
2019: Kakko (RW)
2020: Lafreniere (LW)

Gorton tried to trade up in 2017 to draft Pettersson but couldn’t strike a deal. Still drafted 2 C’s though.

There were no good options at Center with the 9th pick in the 2018 draft. Kravtsov was and still is the right pick. I don’t think anyone will complain about drafting Miller+Lundkvist in the later rounds either.

Kakko was clearly the BPA in 19 and Laf was clearly the BPA in 20. Only a fool would have passed on either of those guys because they’re wingers instead of centers.
 
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Avery16 said:
You’ve got to move on from thinking that Strome is signed to $Spooner for Spooner years, and at a Spooner cap hit. There are real implications by his contract and his level of play does not justify them.
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Strome's contract is a non-factor. He's on a 2 year bridge deal.
As for league finances. The players are in for a rude awakening post Covid. The cap will continue to go down and so will contract values for awhile. Nobody has capspace. The whole NHL is due for a course correction in that regard, especially if the NHL's new TV deal is underwhelming. Half the contracts in the league look bad right now.
 
Kupo said:
That’s not true.

Gorton’s 1st round picks:

2017: Andersson (C) + Chytil (C)
2018: Kravtsov (W) + Miller (D) + Lundqvist (D)
2019: Kakko (RW)
2020: Lafreniere (LW)

Gorton tried to trade up in 2017 to draft Pettersson but couldn’t strike a deal. Still drafted 2 C’s though.

There were no good options at Center with the 9th pick in the 2018 draft. Kravtsov was and still is the right pick. I don’t think anyone will complain about drafting Miller+Lundkvist in the later rounds either.

Kakko was clearly the BPA in 19 and Laf was clearly the BPA in 20. Only a fool would have passed on either of those guys because they’re wingers instead of centers.
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Exactly.

And we know that had they NOT won the lottery in the last two drafts, their picks in their slots would've been Zegras (whom they also tried to trade up to take, even after netting the lucky ping pong ball) and Lundell.
 
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Paulie Walnutz said:
So here’s a pipe bomb for your Thursday evening courtesy of Dreger. Would love to hear @Edge take

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That's fine if we're talking about a 30 year old Crosby and asking him to assume the Messier role.

That becomes a lot more difficult when we're talking about a 34 year old Crosby, and trading him within the conference.

Now, if you're talking about Colorado, or Los Angeles? Hmmm, that's where things get interesting.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if Crosby was still good into his early 40's, but there's no way we'd trade for him nor would the pens move him here.

Also- doesn't his base salary drop to really low numbers over the last three seasons? Seems like the contract was signed before retirement contracts were banned.
 
Kupo said:
That’s not true.

Gorton’s 1st round picks:

2017: Andersson (C) + Chytil (C)
2018: Kravtsov (W) + Miller (D) + Lundqvist (D)
2019: Kakko (RW)
2020: Lafreniere (LW)

Gorton tried to trade up in 2017 to draft Pettersson but couldn’t strike a deal. Still drafted 2 C’s though.

There were no good options at Center with the 9th pick in the 2018 draft. Kravtsov was and still is the right pick. I don’t think anyone will complain about drafting Miller+Lundkvist in the later rounds either.

Kakko was clearly the BPA in 19 and Laf was clearly the BPA in 20. Only a fool would have passed on either of those guys because they’re wingers instead of centers.
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Gorton is doing a good job.
We are the youngest team in the league.
Be patient. Goalies are now playing well.
D is much improved.
I’m enjoying these games.
The scoring will come.
We are loaded with prospects and will trade from strength to get a center when the right deal comes.
Fil the thrill will be back soon. Reunited with KK.
This is a time to be excited not down.
I’ve been watching since 1975. This is by far the best youth we’ve had. Early 90’s was good as well. Don’t be negative enjoy the process of getting better.
LGR!
 
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Why would we trade for Crosby lol. We would have to say bye bye to Kakko or Laf for starters, and no thank you for a 35 year old Crosby.

A team like the Avs would make perfect sense because they are already one of the cup favorites, this could push them to win it.
 
Please no...and honestly at this point in his career...if you are the GM to trade the pieces to jump start the penguins for a 35+ Crosby....you should be fired.
 
RGY said:
I am skeptical of trading Nils Lundkvist right now for anything less than an already established young 2C or higher. Of course that might mean we add to Lundkvist, but I feel his stock is higher than Turcotte at the moment and climbing. He is RHD with a great shot, smooth skater who has great gap control because of it. I think a straight up trade for Turcotte would not be the right use of that asset.

I think you can get Turcotte for a combination of pieces that may be less than Lundkvist, but still of quality and can be of great value to LAK moving forward. That is why I start with DeAngelo, who can jump in to their top 4 right now and PP1, a 2nd round pick, and Robertson who has top 4 D potential from the left side with decent size and ability. Of course we may need to add to that, but that is a lot of pieces for one young unproven center who has not made the jump to the NHL yet. Maybe you add another B prospect to it.

I would save Lundkvist/Jones/Schneider, whomever becomes the headliner piece — likely Lundkvist, for another Center who is already established. Maybe its Eichel. Maybe its a tier below Eichel.

But that would line you up with at least two young centers, one already established and one on the way. To mix in with Chytil. That can be a very longterm nice depth down the middle.
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Teams almost never trade high end prospects. Especially not for a hodgepodge of lesser assets. A 2nd round pick isn’t moving the needle in a Turcotte deal. No GM wants to be the guy who screwed up and traded a future star.
 
Edge said:
That's fine if we're talking about a 30 year old Crosby and asking him to assume the Messier role.

That becomes a lot more difficult when we're talking about a 34 year old Crosby, and trading him within the conference.

Now, if you're talking about Colorado, or Los Angeles? Hmmm, that's where things get interesting.
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It really adds a nice fresh element of speculation on here instead of the same old recycled stuff.
 
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