Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIX - Clever Title

[True Blue]

Brooks’ column today said that interest in Tony has basically entirely evaporated. Teams are feeling pressure of potential fan outcry.

I’m starting to think no deal is going to get done.

I cannot imagine any GM making or not making moves because of Twitter.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I cannot imagine any GM making or not making moves because of Twitter.

You’re kidding yourself if you think Calgary or any other team looking at DeAngelo isn’t weighing the backlash it will bring from their fanbase

 

[bleedblue94]

The interest didn't "evaporate" because of on ice performance, anyone with talent like he has gets preferred treatment, it is probably telling that there was a lot of reported interest in him and as teams did their due diligence interest has now evaporated.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I feel a bit of shame for taking the bait and believing for a brief moment Brisson talking through Dreger about there being major interest in Tony

Rangers are gonna buy him out, no doubt

100%. Any team that traders for him now will face heavy backlash from the babies on twitter and no one wants to deal with that. He’ll get bought out and then maybe in the late summer someone will sign him to a cheap 1 year deal

 

[UnderPSI]

Rangers must prioritize kids amid hazy Tony DeAngelo aftermath (nypost.com)

There is no movement at all in the Blueshirts’ effort to move DeAngelo. Following a spate of early inquiries and conversations, some of them advanced, interest in the 25-year-old, who a year ago was tied for the NHL’s fourth highest-scoring defenseman, has dried up.

That is less for hockey and hockey-trade reasons than because of apparent ownership/management fear of fan backlash in acquiring No. 77. Thursday, an immediate onslaught of vituperative responses from Flames’ fans followed our tweet confirming Calgary’s interest in DeAngelo. The interest has since evaporated.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think teams care as much about twitter back lash as Brooks does.

 

[Edge]

I think fan backlash is part of the equation, but not all of it.

I think there's some hesitation to trade for a guy and then have something come out that causes you to release him in a month.

I think some teams were hoping to unload a shitty contract in the deal and there's no reason for the Rangers to do that with a buyout option on the table.

To the hesitation point, I also think that this underscores that this topic goes a lot deeper and a lot further than the Rangers are wanting to put out there right now --- regardless of whether Puckgate was a real thing.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I don't think teams care as much about twitter back lash as Brooks does.

I’m afraid you’re wrong there

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You’re kidding yourself if you think Calgary or any other team looking at DeAngelo isn’t weighing the backlash it will bring from their fanbase

That backlash only applies to 5% of a fanbase, max.

Most fans don't care what a player does off the ice.

 

[NYR]

Way to go about things quietly, JG..But when it comes to any other move(Non- move 9x out of 10) you don't hear a word.
What a pro..

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

That backlash only applies to 5% of a fanbase, max.

Most fans don't care what a player does off the ice.

Doesn’t matter, it’s still a part of these things whether people want to admit it or not

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m afraid you’re wrong there

Like AK said, its such a small portion of their fanbase.

Now whether or not their room was about it is another story.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I think fan backlash is part of the equation, but not all of it.

I think there's some hesitation to trade for a guy and then having something come out that causes you to release in a month.

I think some teams were hoping to unload a shitty contract in the deal and there's no reason for the Rangers to do that with a buyout option on the table.

To the hesitation point, I also think that this underscores that this topic goes a lot deeper and a lot further than the Rangers are wanting to put out there right now --- regardless of whether Puckgate was a real thing.

Where are you at on a deal getting done, percentage wise? Do you think an in season trade is likely at this point? Or is a buyout at the end of the season more likely?

 

[True Blue]

You’re kidding yourself if you think Calgary or any other team looking at DeAngelo isn’t weighing the backlash it will bring from their fanbase

I think it just the opposite. Deals have been made for people with serious issues. If tonight's game (let's pretend that certain world events are not a factor) allowed fans into the building and DeAngelo was playing, would Rangers fans boycott? Maybe some, but not nearly enough to matter.

I am sure that GMs are savy enough to realize that there may be a backlash. But I doubt that is the sole driver of a deal not being made.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

So basically what we all speculated was happening, appears to be what transpired. Gorton got a “lot of interest” in terms of shit offers. And a buyout is obviously preferable to saddling the team with a toxic deal.

Calgary got cold feet...weird. I do understand the apprehension from a GMs perspective...huge downside with adding DeAngelo and it blowing up in your face. I watched the game Saturday and do think he would be a transformative add for them in the ice...much much more dynamic offensively than Andersson.

But it is what it is. NYR will survive, thankfully the buyout is manageable. Sucks to get nothing for DeAngelo.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I’m afraid you’re wrong there

It's such a red herring in this whole thing.

The reality is that being a raging asshole at the job site is always going to cost you.

There's a reason the Raiders didn't do anything when Antonio Brown threw all his furniture off his high rise balcony and almost killed people in the courtyard, but immediately cut him when he went on twitter and called his coach and GM out.

Teams will tolerate a ton of things from talented players. They will absolutely not tolerate players who disrupt the locker room or bash the coach/GM/owner publicly. Cause hell externally, do not do it internally. It's as simple as that. It's why people trying to compare this to when X player got arrested and the team kept him are entirely missing the point.

 

[rangers1314]

I think fan backlash is part of the equation, but not all of it.

I think there's some hesitation to trade for a guy and then having something come out that causes you to release in a month.

I think some teams were hoping to unload a shitty contract in the deal and there's no reason for the Rangers to do that with a buyout option on the table.

To the hesitation point, I also think that this underscores that this topic goes a lot deeper and a lot further than the Rangers are wanting to put out there right now --- regardless of whether Puckgate was a real thing.

Last time I asked, you put your confidence at a 9 of 10 that something gets done with Calgary.

I assume those odds have since decreased @Edge

 

[TominNC]

Any sense that NYR are getting frustrated with the feet dragging and may just buy Tony out?

They can't buy him out. That happens in the offseason. They can literally let the Flames mull is over for two months. Now Deangelo's agent may raise a fuss before then but the Rangers can either pay Deangelo or find a trade for him. That's it.

 

[Edge]

Last time I asked, you put your confidence at a 9 of 10 that something gets done with Calgary.

I assume those odds have since decreased @Edge

I dunno, maybe 6 or 7.

Bennett was/is probably their best earlier chance. But it depends on how his situation unfolds and whether other teams get involved.

 

[True Blue]

Teams will tolerate a ton of things from talented players. They will absolutely not tolerate players who disrupt the locker room or bash the coach/GM/owner publicly. Cause hell externally, do not do it internally. It's as simple as that. It's why people trying to compare this to when X player got arrested and the team kept him are entirely missing the point.

It really does not get much simpler than that.

I had the example of getting together with a group of friends every couple of weeks to play cards, have some drinks and blow off some steam. If one in the group is chirping a bit it is no big deal. If the chirping continues, it is still no big deal. If the chirping continues to the point that some in the group have several private conversations with him and he STILL continues to chirp, it becomes a bigger deal. If the chirping STIL continues and now people are coming to me and saying that they are simply not having as good a time, then I would have a private conversation myself and tell said person that we simply cannot have this any more as it is beginning to cut into people's good time. Then if a fit of anger, this person goes out and provokes a fight the next weekend at my house with one of the other guys, then for the sake and sanctity of the group, I would disinvite him from coming over.

Destroy the group or get rid of the symptom that is causing disfunction. Most rational people would choose the latter.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I cannot imagine any GM making or not making moves because of Twitter.

Maybe it's because 3 teams have decided he wasn't worth the trouble.

I mean, NY doesn't have to give up a single thing to acquire him right now and they are feeling they are better off playing Jack Johnson and Brendan Smith.


So why would any other team in the league feel any different?

 

[True Blue]

Maybe it's because 3 teams have decided he wasn't worth the trouble.

I mean, NY doesn't have to give up a single thing to acquire him right now and they are feeling they are better off playing Jack Johnson and Brendan Smith.


So why would any other team in the league feel any different?

They just might have, but so what?

I highly doubt that they feel that the everyday line up is better with either Johnson or Smith instead of DeAngelo. The locker room may be a different story.

I cannot speak for other teams. But things like being wary of things blowing up and whether or not you can take his salary, I am sure come into the picture.

 

[Overcast]

You’re kidding yourself if you think Calgary or any other team looking at DeAngelo isn’t weighing the backlash it will bring from their fanbase

Gorton & Co. should be sweet talking Arizona's FO. They were clueless enough to draft whoever that kid was last summer, they're probably still clueless enough to trade something half decent for ADA.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Man are we still chasing a deal with Calgary, i feel like people have been saying this was imminent since last summer

 

[Vitto79]

They can't buy him out. That happens in the offseason. They can literally let the Flames mull is over for two months. Now Deangelo's agent may raise a fuss before then but the Rangers can either pay Deangelo or find a trade for him. That's it.

yup they have till the trade deadline and it’s not the rangers fault if they can’t get a deal

only trade him for an expiring contract or two