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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

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Savant said:
PLD is 22 years old. Not 32 years old. If you can get him, you do it.
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Exactly. I completely, thoroughly understand why people say take a hike when Kakko is brought up but 22 year old 1C’s don’t hit the market often. And make no mistake, he is a 1C. He paced for 57 points last year but that’s on a Torts team where not a single player broke 50 points. He’d put up 60-70 here annually, is a good two way and physical player and is only freaking 22. It’s not like he’s 27 and done developing. It’s absolutely a trade you make.
 
With all this talk about a PLD trade, I believe @Edge saying they wanted a young center going back (Chytil) and Strome going out for cap purposes who has looked very bad so far this year. What about Buchnevich in a deal for PLD, he’s still relatively young, looking like a beast this year, and will potentially price himself out of his next contract here anyway. We shift wing salary to center. We would look weak near term on the right wing but gets both goat and Kakko in at minimum top 9 roles if Krieder stays at RW, and we would potentially have Kravstov coming over after the KHL season. That’s a big get in terms of now player then Strome and If they are looking for a young center what about Howden? He looks much better this year, and wouldn’t get a long term chance to move up here with Zibby - PLD - Chytil. And we have the defensive prospects that all teams can use moving forward.

Buchnevich + Howden + Lundkvist for PLD?
 
I'd move Kakko for PLD. Kakko's struggles last year, the Rangers strength being on the wing and PLD not even being at his peak and already a 1C is exactly the type of player you trade Kakko for if you are going to trade him. Having the ability to have a top-6 of KZB and Panarin-PLD-Laf or however you choose to line it up is too tantalizing to pass up IMO.
 
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smoneil said:
If Kakko is the ask, I hang up the phone. He's not off the table completely, but if Kakko is in the package, the return had better be a real 1st line center (ie: Kakko in a package for Eichel? Yes, obviously). PLD is an elite 2nd line center. That's valuable, but not as valuable as a teenager who just went 2nd overall.

Strome and Nils Lundkvist is as high as I go for PLD. If some other team gets him by paying more, then I'm fine with that.
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I feel like being an elite #2C is basically the same as a #1C lol

110 points in 152 games before turning 23. I wouldn’t assume he’s already peaked.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
I look at a players entire ice time...not just even strength. Nothing is stopping the coach from using skilled players on the PP.
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Is he...not doing that? :laugh:

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Quinn’s distribution of PP1/PP2 ice-time is completely average.
 
PLD has the third least minutes of all forwards so far tonight in the CBJ game and it’s already been noted in other games his time is being cut. Torts is salty. But that’s not exactly the way to boost value or make him decide to stay (or win games) so it hurts you a bit either way.
 
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brians1128 said:
With all this talk about a PLD trade, I believe @Edge saying they wanted a young center going back (Chytil) and Strome going out for cap purposes who has looked very bad so far this year. What about Buchnevich in a deal for PLD, he’s still relatively young, looking like a beast this year, and will potentially price himself out of his next contract here anyway. We shift wing salary to center. We would look weak near term on the right wing but gets both goat and Kakko in at minimum top 9 roles if Krieder stays at RW, and we would potentially have Kravstov coming over after the KHL season. That’s a big get in terms of now player then Strome and If they are looking for a young center what about Howden? He looks much better this year, and wouldn’t get a long term chance to move up here with Zibby - PLD - Chytil. And we have the defensive prospects that all teams can use moving forward.

Buchnevich + Howden + Lundkvist for PLD?
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To be clear, I don’t KNOW what their ask is.

However, I have a hard time seeing them not demand Chytil, assuming they are willing to deal with us.
 
NYR Viper said:
I’d feel more comfortable moving other wingers for center help. If the requirement for PLD is Kaako, I just look elsewhere.
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Only include kakko for and established star. Eichel if he wants out, which should be coming shortly, buffalo has no goaltending and hall is going to parlay his stats this year into a multi year deal somewhere else. Or Barkov knowing full well you are going to resign him long term. Kakko is the 2OA. There were serious conversations about him going ahead of a Hughes for a while. He’s going to be a special player when it all starts clicking for him. Was everyone not envious of Hughes the other night?? I wish we had him, he is electric and a game breaker. He worked hard in the offseason and it has paid off for him. He’s still as fast with the added weight and he catching up to the nhl game. The same will happen for kakko. I have no doubt when everything clicks for him he’s going to be a special player as well. Give him a little Time for god sakes. He’s a tremendous prospect and for the time being cheap on a ELC. An asset like that should only be available for an established young star. I don’t know PLD ‘s ceiling. He could be a very good 2-way 70 pt center. With a guy like Panarin maybe more or maybe not. Kakko could very well end up being a 80-90 pt wing when all said and done by the old age of 22-23 years old. Maybe not, but give the kid a freaking chance to prove himself. Up until last year he was the highest pick we have had in forever and many were ecstatic for good reason. But since his journey to being a full time nhler is taking a little longer then expected many would deal him for a guy that could be very good or could be Derek Stepan 2.0 but a little bigger. I say wait it out unless a guy like Eichel or Barkov becomes available. A can’t miss young stud that’s already a 85-90 pt guy that can carry a line like those 2 can. Kakko has show progress. Stay the course. PLD could be had without giving him up, clock is ticking for Jarmo
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
PLD has the third least minutes of all forwards so far tonight in the CBJ game and it’s already been noted in other games his time is being cut. Torts is salty. But that’s not exactly the way to boost value or make him decide to stay (or win games) so it hurts you a bit either way.
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Yeah but I can't see him moving in season.

His market is going to be limited as it is, but it's going to be ultra limited in season as all the Canadian teams are basically out of the equation.
 
aufheben said:
I feel like being an elite #2C is basically the same as a #1C lol

110 points in 152 games before turning 23. I wouldn’t assume he’s already peaked.
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One of those three seasons is looking like an outlier, and two of them came with Panarin on his wing. I don't want it to seem like I'm hating on the player. I'd like to have him on the team, and I don't toss a guy like Lundkvist out there lightly (in my ideal scenario, in ~3 years or so, the right side of the D would be Fox, Lundkvist, and Schneider). I just keep seeing people drooling over PLD as if he were a clear cut guaranteed #1c, and he just objectively isn't. You need a 1c to produce in the post-season, and PLD's production comes exponentially against bottom 7 teams. I'm also (like Torts) wary about the fact that he won't say WHY he wants out of Columbus. If it's that he's bound for Montreal in three years come hell or high water, I don't want to be the team who sold the farm for a player just to have that player bolt.

And while I don't assume that he's already peaked, I don't want to assume that he's got mountains of untapped production either. He's had good minutes with phenomenal linemates. There was another player who put up 140 points in 212 games before turning 23. Another still who put up 167 points in 271 games before turning 23. I wouldn't want to give up Kakko for Stepan or Ryan Johansen, either.

It's not a knock on PLD; it's a knock on the apparent price tag. If our blue chip pieces are on the table (Kakko), I want a guaranteed blue chip piece coming back (Eichel).
 
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Yep, still at 3:55 ice time. Torts is going to force Jarmo to trade him for less than he could get. PLD certainly isn’t gonna say, okay, fine you benched me I’ll rescind my trade request but him sitting on the bench isn’t helping Columbus or his value. Jarmo can’t be happy.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Yeah but I can't see him moving in season.

His market is going to be limited as it is, but it's going to be ultra limited in season as all the Canadian teams are basically out of the equation.
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Looks a lot like Torts is gonna force the issue.
 
Loki Dog 74 said:
Great personnel. I’d do:

Laf - Zib - Kreider
Panarin - PLD - Buch

Panarin and PLD played together before, Buch and Panarin are showing chemistry as well and Kreider and Zib are like PB&J.
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I was going for the French and Russian Connection
 
Frankly if you’re going to trade for Dubois you might as well send Chytil back the other way cause he’ll be buried for years behind Mika and Dubois
 
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