Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[The Crypto Guy]

Ummm.....the season is only 3 games old. If you are going to compare the entirety of last season to all of 3 games and hold them up as equal, I can just as easily point to one game as being evidence of playing more.

Who said anything about holding it up as equal?? We are discussing the first 3 games of the season, is that not allowed because it's only 3 games in? Should we shut the boards down until at least 10 games? 20 games?

 

[Fitzy]

Umm on the season? Averaging 12:04 minutes....

Very early. I agree I'd like him to play more, but all the wingers are hurting for TOI when we're behind.

We lean super heavily on Panarin to get us back in games. He played almost 25 f-in minutes last game including just about 3:30 of the final 4.

If we want more ice time and development for the younguns, we need to do better and be ahead in more games.

 

[True Blue]

Who said anything about holding it up as equal?? We are discussing the first 3 games of the season, is that not allowed because it's only 3 games in? Should we shut the boards down until at least 10 games? 20 games?

When I pointed out how many minutes Kakko played in game 3 of the season, you then compared it to his entire average from last year.

Who is talking about shutting down the boards? Seems to be the the boards are having a collective hissy fit and presenting a different view of the issues is being seen as offensive.

 

[Kovalev27]

What is PLD really worth? Not in a vacuum but with current circumstances.

Would CLB want a 'swap' or a voluminous return? Right now Kakko for PLD is starting to make sense.... but its only 3 games and a megaton of over reactions since we've had no hockey for what feels like an eternity.

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

 

[Mac n Gs]

Who said anything about holding it up as equal?? We are discussing the first 3 games of the season, is that not allowed because it's only 3 games in? Should we shut the boards down until at least 10 games? 20 games?

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[Glen Sathers Cigar]

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

I’d rather see if we could get him for Kravtsov+ if we’re moving one of the wings. Might not be enough though and Jarmo might demand Kakko in any trade.

 

[huerter]

Edmonton should do their stud 22 year old winger for Columbus' stud 22 year old center.

 

[Leetch3]

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

who is the 21 year old winger?

 

[Kovalev27]

who is the 21 year old winger?

sorry soon to be 20 not 21

leetchie been correcting me for 20 years now

 

[Leetch3]

sorry soon to be 20 not 21

leetchie been correcting me for 20 years now

soon to be 20...or as people not trying to present a false narrative call it, 19 years old lol

and i'll keep correcting you when you stop being wrong

 

[duhmetreE]

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

Panarin Zibs Buchnevich
Lafreniere PLD Kreider

is a good top 6, ( on paper at least )

 

[bl02]

What you are missing is if / when the situation repeats itself in the future - when the stakes are higher - because the coach decided to give the player a pass.

Not missing it all I understand what you're saying. I'm saying benching him for rest of third would have been more than enough than scratching him next game. I really don't see it happening much nowadays in the league especially with one of your better players.

 

[bl02]

Quinn clearly has communicated to DeAngelo what is expected. DeAngelo took it and flourished. He then backslid. That is entirely on him.

No one is stating that DeAngelo was the worst player in that game. But when your boss tells you that something is expected and then you choose not to do it, the consequences are what the consequences are.

guy showed some emotion in a game where his team was getting his ass kicked. I mean it's not like he jumped the ref and punched him in the back of the head. I wish more of the players would have showed some emotion after they were getting bitch slapped by a rival opening night.

 

[bl02]

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

Absolutely Strome would have to go no doubt. For several reasons.

 

[bl02]

I’d rather see if we could get him for Kravtsov+ if we’re moving one of the wings. Might not be enough though and Jarmo might demand Kakko in any trade.

I think he would. Kravtsov has done pretty well in the KHL this year but he is far from a guarantee in the NHL.
If I am Jarmo I am surely asking for Kakko and maybe a little add depending on the market for PLD

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think he would. Kravtsov has done pretty well in the KHL this year but he is far from a guarantee in the NHL.
If I am Jarmo I am surely asking for Kakko and maybe a little add depending on the market for PLD

He can ask all he wants, doesn’t mean he’s going to get it lol

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kakko is among the non-negotiable for me so if Jarmo is aiming for that he can talk a walk

 

[smoneil]

with the wings we have frankly I’d make that trade at this point and I love kakko I do but a stud 22 year old center for a stud 21 year old wing 2nd vs 3rd overall fills needs for both teams I’d do it.

they have to take strome back to though. Period

If Kakko is the ask, I hang up the phone. He's not off the table completely, but if Kakko is in the package, the return had better be a real 1st line center (ie: Kakko in a package for Eichel? Yes, obviously). PLD is an elite 2nd line center. That's valuable, but not as valuable as a teenager who just went 2nd overall.

Strome and Nils Lundkvist is as high as I go for PLD. If some other team gets him by paying more, then I'm fine with that.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If Kakko is the ask, I hang up the phone. He's not off the table completely, but if Kakko is in the package, the return had better be a real 1st line center (ie: Kakko in a package for Eichel? Yes, obviously). PLD is an elite 2nd line center. That's valuable, but not as valuable as a teenager who just went 2nd overall.

Strome and Nils Lundkvist is as high as I go for PLD. If some other team gets him by paying more, then I'm fine with that.

Nah i'd trade Kakko for PLD easily. Even if Kakko ends up being an 80 point wing (which is a huge question mark), we're so loaded on the wings and so weak down the center, I take the center who is only 22 and can still blossom into a legit number one, every day of the week.

 

[smoneil]

Nah i'd trade Kakko for PLD easily. Even if Kakko ends up being an 80 point wing (which is a huge question mark), we're so loaded on the wings and so weak down the center, I take the center who is only 22 and can still blossom into a legit number one, every day of the week.

I've got question marks about PLD. Wanting out at 22 is a red flag. His production away from Panarin took a big dip. His overall production rate shows that he--more than most--racks up the numbers against bottom feeding teams and rarely puts up points against the top teams. Plus the concern that he's angling for Montreal or bust.

Still a good player. Still worth a gamble that he can develop into a 1C, but I think there are far better options out there, and trading Kakko now will severely curtail our ability to acquire those better options. We've got the time (we aren't seriously going to compete until the rooks at left D arrive and acclimate). We should wait for the right piece. I'm not convinced that PLD is it.

Also, we're stacked at LEFT wing. We're actually pretty thin at right wing. We have Buch, Kakko, and then question marks in Kravtsov and Gauthier.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I wouldn't make a big move off of need yet. We have no idea what this group of young players looks like in five years. Selling high on a guy is fine - like if they don't think Kakko is going to be that good, that's the kind of tough call they're paid to make - but I'm not worried about the jigsaw puzzle part of it, we know very little about all of these guys as NHLers.

 

[LokiDog]

Panarin Zibs Buchnevich
Lafreniere PLD Kreider

is a good top 6, ( on paper at least )

Great personnel. I’d do:

Laf - Zib - Kreider
Panarin - PLD - Buch

Panarin and PLD played together before, Buch and Panarin are showing chemistry as well and Kreider and Zib are like PB&J.

 

[LokiDog]

Nah i'd trade Kakko for PLD easily. Even if Kakko ends up being an 80 point wing (which is a huge question mark), we're so loaded on the wings and so weak down the center, I take the center who is only 22 and can still blossom into a legit number one, every day of the week.

That’s my take as well. PLD is a 50-60 point player in a very low scoring Columbus system. We had 4 players with over 53 points last season. PLD led the Jackets with 49 (57 pace). I have little doubt he’d at least be a 65 point, two-way 1B/2 center (I think that’s a relatively conservative estimate, to be honest) and I’d frankly trade an 80 point winger for that, especially when there’s no guarantee the winger IS an 80 point winger and we already have a different *potential* 80 point winger, a 90 point winger and two 50 point wingers (Laf, Bread, Kreider, Buch, respectively).

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d feel more comfortable moving other wingers for center help. If the requirement for PLD is Kaako, I just look elsewhere.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think I want to trade for anyone while Quinn is still here.

Unless its Eichel who makes Quinn look like he hates Howden.