Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gauthier has looked good so far this season. He’s hit multiple posts and if just one goes in people would be talking about him much differently

My bar for expectations on what Quinn does at this point are so low nothing surprises me

 

[LokiDog]

PDG himself may not be important to the Rangers future, but if his presence on that line helps Chytil and Kakko then I don't really have a problem with keeping him there until that unit doesn't work anymore.

I'd love to have a better option, but this is the hand we're playing right now.

I’m “okay” with that notion, but I just don’t think PDG is actually the cause. Correlation =/= causation. Put Lemieux there. He’ll play a very similar game. Keep Gauthier in the lineup. I mean, whatever, if it’s a game or two off, as a supposed “wake up call” fine, though I think he’s been playing well and been noticeable with limited opportunities. I’d rather actually put Laf at 3LW with Chytil and Kakko and take a 2 game look at Gauthier on the Panarin line in a Fast role. Regardless, it’s not THIS specific decision that irks me so much, it’s this consistent type of thinking and decision making from Quinn regarding lineups.

 

[True Blue]

This team can not go any further with Quinn. Thats my stance. The coaches job is to teach. incorporate a system, find the best lineups that work, and play youre best players. In my opinion, he has done none of that during his tenure here

They put on 50 shots on goal, Blackwood was just that good. The PP looks good and the PK does not look bad. Martin is tasked with putting together a defensive system that the youngest team in the league got all of 2 weeks of training camp to learn.

And if leaning on ZBad, Panarin, Buchnevich, Kreider, Trouba is not playing your best players, then what is?

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't think it is overstating that HOW we play tomorrow is a big deal.

Also, people acting like Quinn has no other influencers on him within the organization are fooling themselves. Right now Quinn has made himself the whipping boy of this team, but he isn't making these usage decisions alone, Gorts and JD would absolutely be interjecting if they had major issues when player usages or lineup decisions.

 

[True Blue]

I’m “okay” with that notion, but I just don’t think PDG is actually the cause. Correlation =/= causation. Put Lemieux there. He’ll play a very similar game. Keep Gauthier in the lineup. I mean, whatever, if it’s a game or two off, as a supposed “wake up call” fine, though I think he’s been playing well and been noticeable with limited opportunities. I’d rather actually put Laf at 3LW with Chytil and Kakko and take a 2 game look at Gauthier on the Panarin line in a Fast role. Regardless, it’s not THIS specific decision that irks me so much, it’s this consistent type of thinking and decision making from Quinn regarding lineups.

I would definitely put Lemieux with Chytil and Kakko. Especially if Lafreniere continues to take shifts on RW. PDG 's present and future is as a fringe NHLer.

 

[Kovalev27]

I am thrilled with this

and frankly guys you know I said it a few days ago. Rooney is more needed in this lineup than gauthier. We need some balance and gauthier just hasn’t produced or defended.

 

[True Blue]

I am thrilled with this

and frankly guys you know I said it a few days ago. Rooney is more needed in this lineup than gauthier. We need some balance and gauthier just hasn’t produced or defended.

As you know, I am not a fan of players switching positions, BUT when it comes to a Kreider who is left handed moving to the right side, at least I can see where that would be experimented with.

And I agree on Rooney. Excellent penalty killer and not a bad person to have on the 4th line. I like Gauthier and but really need to see some more from him.

This will also enable for Panarin and Buchnevich to be on a line, which both have expressed interest in. AND, something that I really want to see, Lemieux to be back on LW with the Chytil & Kakko duo.

 

[HonestGabe]

Right... because developing PDG is important to this teams success. This is the problem with Quinn. PDG has been okay. Good even. But he’s a 13/14 forward with no future on this team. Gauthier is a good prospect who needs to play. If Rooney on the 4th line and PK taking draws makes sense, good, fine, go for it, but Gauthier is one of the main group. PDG is a fill in. If no one is injured or suspended he shouldn’t be playing over anyone. That has nothing to do with how he’s playing when called upon. It has to do with we’re still a developing team and that’s now how you develop.

I'd even argue that PDG and Rooney are both capable fourth liners. I have no problem with both in the lineup.

It should really be Howden or Strome who sits but we all know that won't happen.

 

[LokiDog]

I'd even argue that PDG and Rooney are both capable fourth liners. I have no problem with both in the lineup.

It should really be Howden or Strome who sits but we all know that won't happen.

Howden has looked good so far. That’s carry over sentiment from last season. Strome looks like he should be shot into the sun, but they won’t sit him so it’s moot.

 

[Kovalev27]

As you know, I am not a fan of players switching positions, BUT when it comes to a Kreider who is left handed moving to the right side, at least I can see where that would be experimented with.

And I agree on Rooney. Excellent penalty killer and not a bad person to have on the 4th line. I like Gauthier and but really need to see some more from him.

well said

for me kreiders biggest strengths going forward are going to be puck retrieval in the corners and in the forecheck and net front scoring/screens. I’ve seen him take the puck on his back hand down the right side. So yes you lose him screaming down the left wing but that’s not really is bread and butter.

it’s much more valuable to have lafreniere doing his thing from the left side while Mika really is naturally a scoring center more so than play maker.

to me this was always the long term move I just hope Quinn sticks with it for more than 5 mins.

on Rooney you’re spot on. With these many offensive players in the lineup a digiuseppe and Rooney add value IMO.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They put on 50 shots on goal, Blackwood was just that good. The PP looks good and the PK does not look bad. Martin is tasked with putting together a defensive system that the youngest team in the league got all of 2 weeks of training camp to learn.

And if leaning on ZBad, Panarin, Buchnevich, Kreider, Trouba is not playing your best players, then what is?

I hate seeing people repeating that 50 shots on goal number. how many of those shots were from bad spots and bad angles. Shot volume does not equal quality attempts. I'm not taking anything away from Blackwood because he did make some solid saves in close, but the majority of shots he faced especially early on were just way too weak. The Devils blocked more of our quality attempts than I think Blackwood himself.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Instead of all these replies disagreeing with things I don't say, why dont you find my post saying JJ should stay in the lineup.

okay how bout this. Plain and simple. David Quinn should be fired. He is a horrible head coach

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It isn't though. No different than any other team. You just remember it because you watch every Ranger game and you don't watch every game for every other team.

I dont really care about other teams. Thats like when your running and your in first and you look behind yourself to see where everyone else is. Just worry about our own team

 

[IDvsEGO]

okay how bout this. Plain and simple. David Quinn should be fired. He is a horrible head coach

I dont know if i think Quinn is a terrible head coach, but i think he's a terrible head coach for the team we have now.
Some guys are good at developing players. some guys are good at riding star forwards to a cup. Quinn is the later.

 

[Kovalev27]

Laf Mika Kreider
Panarin Strome Buchnevich
DiGi Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden Rooney

that’s not bad, matter of time before strome and buchy are no longer here and Chytil and Kakko will graduate to the top 6.

Kravtsov will enter the top 9

unless of course we go for Dubois then all bets are off!

 

[True Blue]

I hate seeing people repeating that 50 shots on goal number. how many of those shots were from bad spots and bad angles. Shot volume does not equal quality attempts. I'm not taking anything away from Blackwood because he did make some solid saves in close, but the majority of shots he faced especially early on were just way too weak. The Devils blocked more of our quality attempts than I think Blackwood himself.

The Rangers controlled much of the game. It is not like the Devils were out-chancing them. The shots were poured in and he made many a very good save. Most of the time, the Rangers win the game.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Rangers controlled much of the game. It is not like the Devils were out-chancing them. The shots were poured in and he made many a very good save. Most of the time, the Rangers win the game.

The only time NJ took control in the game it seemed to me was when Hughes was out there.

 

[True Blue]

The only time NJ took control in the game it seemed to me was when Hughes was out there.

Hughes played an excellent game. Georgiev played a mediocre game. Blackwood had an excellent game. Rangers controlled the play most of the game. Much more often than not, the Rangers win that game and this board is not on suicide watch. Again.

 

[SA16]

I dont really care about other teams. Thats like when your running and your in first and you look behind yourself to see where everyone else is. Just worry about our own team

The point is the statement "The Rangers get off to slow starts." is not true. It's a made up statement because the times where it does happen are notable and stick out to you. If you think otherwise you are simply wrong. The facts state otherwise.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A lot of teams look off to start, no training camp is a huge part of that.

 

[haveandare]

Bc strome has no future with this team. This coach is supposed to be a developmental coach. someone who would play the young players, teach, and let them grow. He has done NONE of that. Like i and others have stated for pages long now, kakko and chytl are outplaying alot of players and yet not seeing PP2 time, or being moved up to play with panarin. Strome has been awful, johnson has been awful... hmm lets play them more! Kakko and chytl and laf playing well, lets give them less ice time. Come on bro!

Also, since the end of last year, quinn has not had this team ready to start any game. Yes the devils looked ALOT better than us. They blocked shots, they played hard, they won a game that we didnt deserve to be close in. and why were those goals scored by Hughes? Oh bc he was getting ice time with great players and put in spots to succeed. Our youngsters are not. Even if you say they are goaltending and defensive issues you are proving my point with player management and NOT having a system in place. ALL COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES.

We are not making the playoffs this year no matter how good we play. I am expecting GROWTH from our youngsters.. Meanwhile when i see it... Quinn doesnt reward it. Quinn is a major problem for this team.

Agree to disagree I guess, we’re not coming at this from the same basic set of facts. Giving up 50 shots, being down 20 shots net, is not “looking a lot better” than the other team. That’s actually a very poor performance.

Kakko and Chytil are going to be on PP2 literally tomorrow it looks like. They’re not playing instead of Strome on the second line because their line looks very good and that’d leave Laf with PDG and Strome, which is god awful and people would be losing it over.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The point is the statement "The Rangers get off to slow starts." is not true. It's a made up statement because the times where it does happen are notable and stick out to you. If you think otherwise you are simply wrong. The facts state otherwise.

You can even expand the analysis to look at 5, 10, and 20 minutes into the game. The data doesn't change and we stay basically league average at each time point.

It's all recency bias.

 

[leetch99]

Another tough day for HFMedicine

Holy Shit...that was a good one...thanks for the humor !

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I dont know if i think Quinn is a terrible head coach, but i think he's a terrible head coach for the team we have now.
Some guys are good at developing players. some guys are good at riding star forwards to a cup. Quinn is the later.

The big issue is... He was brought in to be a teacher for our young upcoming players. Yet he alienates them and benches them for players who have no future here. For me thats called failing at your job

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I am thrilled with this

and frankly guys you know I said it a few days ago. Rooney is more needed in this lineup than gauthier. We need some balance and gauthier just hasn’t produced or defended.

In a perfect world, Kreider would slide down with Chytil and we'd have someone better than PDG to throw up on the RW with Zibanejad.

But hey, if it works, it works.