Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[RangersFan1994]

Dubois for kakko and strome straight up...would this work ?

so let's trade Lafy for Barkov while we are at it too

we need to move out DeAngelo or Strome for cap space.

maybe Shesterkin to Hawks for Dach (injured)


no chance it happens Jackets would hang up the phone

 

[tailgunner]

who said anything about laf for barkov? I would never do that

kakko to me is just not gonna blossom he is not noticeable on the ice at all...strome is a disaster....if columbus agrees...dubois for kakko and strome would be great for us.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

We had a better second half of the first against the devils also. I agree the starts have been troubling, but to me it’s not a clear coaching issue - people just start from not liking the coach (partial with good justification) and then filter everything they see to justify that conclusion.

A coach’s job is to organize the strategy and manage the execution of it best they can. There’s nothing about the first few minutes of a game that is more coach dependent than any other part of the game. And the fact is, this league isn’t bad - you can’t expect to clearly win entire games start to finish more than a handful of times a year. Why is it that the starts in particular are a problem for this group? I’m not sure but it’s been a problem since before Quinn, no?

The TDA scratch for the second game I totally agreed with - you need to set boundaries for a young team and show consequences for selfish moves that cost the team. The second game scratch would have been understandable if we had 6 other serviceable D, but since we don’t, it was stupid imo. Smith is way better than JJ and TDA is way better then both.

Starting a goalie after a shutout when it’s not back to back games is not weird or unjustifiable in any way imo. Talbot used to get games after he’d play really well when Hank could have started instead. It happens and it’s not some bizarre choice, especially against a team that isn’t known for being an offensive powerhouse.

The starts of games is the troubling part and that is a clear coaching issue. His player management is another, his teaching of the game is another. To keeping Jack Johnson in after blunder after blunder. To not putting Deangelo and smith in for him. To giving Strome more minutes, to cutting kakko and chytl ice time when they were clearly playing better than most on the team.

Quinn's strategies are garbage. I dont expect to win every period. I expect compete and competence from my players every period. I expect them not to fall behind every game in the first few minutes. This was happening even last year. Quinn has not changed and he is not the right coach to bring this team into cup contention.

While i usually agree with starting a goalie after a shutout bc i play goalie myself. I would have gone back to Shesty. He is the starter and thats just what i would have done. And while you say the devils arent a offensive powerhouse, they sure looked like a powerhouse against us.

This team can not go any further with Quinn. Thats my stance. The coaches job is to teach. incorporate a system, find the best lineups that work, and play youre best players. In my opinion, he has done none of that during his tenure here

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I dont care how well Smith played one game ago- this team does not owe him a damn thing.

lol so you would rather play Jack f***ing Johnson? Smitty has easily been the better player of the two

 

[Avery16]

 

[Avery16]

 

[Avery16]

lol so you would rather play Jack f***ing Johnson? Smitty has easily been the better player of the two

No. I'm saying that Smith "deserves" nothing from this organization.

 

[haveandare]

The starts of games is the troubling part and that is a clear coaching issue. His player management is another, his teaching of the game is another. To keeping Jack Johnson in after blunder after blunder. To not putting Deangelo and smith in for him. To giving Strome more minutes, to cutting kakko and chytl ice time when they were clearly playing better than most on the team.

Quinn's strategies are garbage. I dont expect to win every period. I expect compete and competence from my players every period. I expect them not to fall behind every game in the first few minutes. This was happening even last year. Quinn has not changed and he is not the right coach to bring this team into cup contention.

While i usually agree with starting a goalie after a shutout bc i play goalie myself. I would have gone back to Shesty. He is the starter and thats just what i would have done. And while you say the devils arent a offensive powerhouse, they sure looked like a powerhouse against us.

This team can not go any further with Quinn. Thats my stance. The coaches job is to teach. incorporate a system, find the best lineups that work, and play youre best players. In my opinion, he has done none of that during his tenure here

Saying it’s a clear coaching issue doesn’t make it so. Why do you think it’s a clear coaching issue rather than an issue with the players as people for example?

Strome gets minutes, 5v5 at least, because he’s on the second line and the team needs 4 functional lines. Would you rather have him play with Kakko and PDG and give Kakko even less to work with? His PP usage is insane, I agree there. Other teams cheat on Panarin hard because they know there’s no one timer option on the other side.

How did the devils look like an offensive powerhouse? They were outposessed badly and outshot 28-50. Hughes’ first goal was a puck sitting loose behind Georgiev, his second was a totally clear breakaway, and woods had a tap in because he was left open an inch from the net - those are defensive and goaltending flaws on the rangers’ part, not dynamic offense from the devils.

I don’t think he’s a perfect coach and I’d probabaly prefer Gallant over him but I think a lot of the specific complaints are pretty baseless

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

No. I'm saying that Smith "deserves" nothing from this organization.

True, but neither does jack johnson, and the play so far this season, Smitty has been much better than Johnson. Your smitty hate is blinding you to jack johnson's shittiness.

 

[SA16]

The starts of games is the troubling part and that is a clear coaching issue. His player management is another, his teaching of the game is another. To keeping Jack Johnson in after blunder after blunder. To not putting Deangelo and smith in for him. To giving Strome more minutes, to cutting kakko and chytl ice time when they were clearly playing better than most on the team.

Quinn's strategies are garbage. I dont expect to win every period. I expect compete and competence from my players every period. I expect them not to fall behind every game in the first few minutes. This was happening even last year. Quinn has not changed and he is not the right coach to bring this team into cup contention.

While i usually agree with starting a goalie after a shutout bc i play goalie myself. I would have gone back to Shesty. He is the starter and thats just what i would have done. And while you say the devils arent a offensive powerhouse, they sure looked like a powerhouse against us.

This team can not go any further with Quinn. Thats my stance. The coaches job is to teach. incorporate a system, find the best lineups that work, and play youre best players. In my opinion, he has done none of that during his tenure here

The start of the games thing isn't true. I already showed this yesterday. The rangers have allowed 17 goals in the first 2 minutes the last 3 years. That is slightly below average. It's just selective memory.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Avery16]

True, but neither does jack johnson, and the play so far this season, Smitty has been much better than Johnson. Your smitty hate is blinding you to jack johnson's shittiness.

If you scroll up about a page, I say theres no way Smith should come out while JJ is in. I just disagree with any assertion that Smith "deserves" anything from us. This whole contract has been a fraud.

 

[NYR Viper]

And he's lost me. Gauthier has consistently driven the offense when he's on the ice.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Saying it’s a clear coaching issue doesn’t make it so. Why do you think it’s a clear coaching issue rather than an issue with the players as people for example?

Strome gets minutes, 5v5 at least, because he’s on the second line and the team needs 4 functional lines. Would you rather have him play with Kakko and PDG and give Kakko even less to work with? His PP usage is insane, I agree there. Other teams cheat on Panarin hard because they know there’s no one timer option on the other side.

How did the devils look like an offensive powerhouse? They were outposessed badly and outshot 28-50. Hughes’ first goal was a puck sitting loose behind Georgiev, his second was a totally clear breakaway, and woods had a tap in because he was left open an inch from the net - those are defensive and goaltending flaws on the rangers’ part, not dynamic offense from the devils.

I don’t think he’s a perfect coach and I’d probabaly prefer Gallant over him but I think a lot of the specific complaints are pretty baseless

Bc strome has no future with this team. This coach is supposed to be a developmental coach. someone who would play the young players, teach, and let them grow. He has done NONE of that. Like i and others have stated for pages long now, kakko and chytl are outplaying alot of players and yet not seeing PP2 time, or being moved up to play with panarin. Strome has been awful, johnson has been awful... hmm lets play them more! Kakko and chytl and laf playing well, lets give them less ice time. Come on bro!

Also, since the end of last year, quinn has not had this team ready to start any game. Yes the devils looked ALOT better than us. They blocked shots, they played hard, they won a game that we didnt deserve to be close in. and why were those goals scored by Hughes? Oh bc he was getting ice time with great players and put in spots to succeed. Our youngsters are not. Even if you say they are goaltending and defensive issues you are proving my point with player management and NOT having a system in place. ALL COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES.

We are not making the playoffs this year no matter how good we play. I am expecting GROWTH from our youngsters.. Meanwhile when i see it... Quinn doesnt reward it. Quinn is a major problem for this team.

 

[Rangers in 7]

And he's lost me. Gauthier has consistently driven the offense when he's on the ice.

this

x1000

i cant f***ing fathom why this kid continues to get stapled to the bench and moved down the lineup....and now potentially completely out of the lineup.

he is noticeable every shift hes on the ice.....quinn is a f***ing moron

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

If you scroll up about a page, I say theres no way Smith should come out while JJ is in. I just disagree with any assertion that Smith "deserves" anything from us. This whole contract has been a fraud.

So what the contact sucks. Its his last year but he is far better than johnson.

Trouba
Fox
Lindgren
Deangelo
Miller
Smitty

Thats who you play. Johnson can "teach" in the press box with Martin.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

The start of the games thing isn't true. I already showed this yesterday. The rangers have allowed 17 goals in the first 2 minutes the last 3 years. That is slightly below average. It's just selective memory.

Its been a very bad issue so far this season and the playin last year. Quinn is a major problem for this organization and dare i say it could seriously screw up our future with all these hopeful young stars

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And he's lost me. Gauthier has consistently driven the offense when he's on the ice.

Get ready for PDG-Chytil-Rooney!

I'm guessing that this decision would have to do with the PK vs the Pens.... Not a bad idea to throw a good PK forward out there.

It'd be an even better idea not to play JJ at all, but we can't win them all.

 

[SA16]

Its been a very bad issue so far this season and the playin last year. Quinn is a major problem for this organization and dare i say it could seriously screw up our future with all these hopeful young stars

It isn't though. No different than any other team. You just remember it because you watch every Ranger game and you don't watch every game for every other team.

 

[LokiDog]

Right... because developing PDG is important to this teams success. This is the problem with Quinn. PDG has been okay. Good even. But he’s a 13/14 forward with no future on this team. Gauthier is a good prospect who needs to play. If Rooney on the 4th line and PK taking draws makes sense, good, fine, go for it, but Gauthier is one of the main group. PDG is a fill in. If no one is injured or suspended he shouldn’t be playing over anyone. That has nothing to do with how he’s playing when called upon. It has to do with we’re still a developing team and that’s now how you develop.

 

[Avery16]

So what the contact sucks. Its his last year but he is far better than johnson.

Trouba
Fox
Lindgren
Deangelo
Miller
Smitty

Thats who you play. Johnson can "teach" in the press box with Martin.

Instead of all these replies disagreeing with things I don't say, why dont you find my post saying JJ should stay in the lineup.

 

[True Blue]

Its sickening that he and Lafreniere are not getting force fed minutes on PP2. Chytil for that matter too. Heck, lets throw Gauthier into the conversation. It is mind boggling how Lemieux and Howden can be force fed minutes but the buck stops there. Why cant the same be done for the others?

While I would give him time on PP2, I will say that considering how much time PP2 actually plays, is it worth getting riled up about? Functions like Kreider on PP2 and plays in front of the net. Quinn stated that Howden was there to win a draw. It should be noted that Howden played all of 17 seconds on PP2. Not sure that is forcing minutes.

Gauthier has not shown any offensive acumen whatsoever. He may well be a AAAA player. I hope not, but I have seen nothing from him in all of his games here that make me believe that as of right now, he is going to be a part of the future.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Right... because developing PDG is important to this teams success. This is the problem with Quinn. PDG has been okay. Good even. But he’s a 13/14 forward with no future on this team. Gauthier is a good prospect who needs to play. If Rooney on the 4th line and PK taking draws makes sense, good, fine, go for it, but Gauthier is one of the main group. PDG is a fill in. If no one is injured or suspended he shouldn’t be playing over anyone. That has nothing to do with how he’s playing when called upon. It has to do with we’re still a developing team and that’s now how you develop.

PDG himself may not be important to the Rangers future, but if his presence on that line helps Chytil and Kakko then I don't really have a problem with keeping him there until that unit doesn't work anymore.

I'd love to have a better option, but this is the hand we're playing right now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

While I would give him time on PP2, I will say that considering how much time PP2 actually plays, is it worth getting riled up about? Functions like Kreider on PP2 and plays in front of the net. Quinn stated that Howden was there to win a draw. It should be noted that Howden played all of 17 seconds on PP2. Not sure that is forcing minutes.

Gauthier has not shown any offensive acumen whatsoever. He may well be a AAAA player. I hope not, but I have seen nothing from him in all of his games here that make me believe that as of right now, he is going to be a part of the future.

This isn't true. He's generated like at least 1 grade A chance a game so far. He hasn't shown the ability to finish, but he's been close.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

May I reiterate, David Quinn is an idiot.