Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/20/ryan-stromes-struggles-are-becoming-a-rangers-problem

The partnership that intrigues would be the one between Panarin and Buchnevich, who have logged 213:04 together at five-on-five the past two years with a 51 percent possession rating and a 14-11 edge in goals for/against per Naturalstattrick.com. It could be that Quinn perceives Buchnevich as the best available replica of Jesper Fast to take the departed Swede’s place on that unit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Larry must need to boost his clicks for this month because that article might be the most useless thing he’s written in a while lol

 

[Ori]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/20/ryan-stromes-struggles-are-becoming-a-rangers-problem

I thought Strome had a career season before the pandemic?
I think the focus is wrong in this article, it is a team game, ok fine he has 0 pts on the first PP unit is not great, but at least not (-) stats which explain just looking at the beginning of the season that Strome is not a liability at least.

Personally I think we pay too much for Panarin, he look like a boy scout when Jack Hughes played hockey, 19 years old.
Maybe the article should be all about Rangers dont give 1st 2020 or Kakko enough Icetime to develop properly in NHL.

 

[RGY]

Lol Stroganov?

More like Blowganov.

He is terrible. Its laughable that Strome has to play with Panarin because it is assumed he (Panarin) prefers to play with him. Lets get one thing straight here, if our Hart Trophy candidate and best scorer cannot figure out how to play with other players, especially better and more competent ones then we have much, much bigger problems going forward. I mean what happens when Strome is gone in 2 years? Heck, what about when he is gone after this season? Does Panarin just retire? Gimme a damn break. The Strome Defenders will find every reason in every lousy corner to stake a claim that he is not a bad hockey player, no matter what the evidence shows.

 

[RGY]

DQ: Strome hasn’t found his game yet. Let me keep feeding him 20min a night until he does!

Also DQ: Kakko hasn’t found his game yet. DEMOTED!!!!

Also DQ: Lafreniere hasn’t looked out of place, we’re chasing the 3rd and 4th goals to tie the game, so lets play Lafreniere less than 4 minutes in the 3rd period!

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Is there any financial benefit to the team sending Barron and Robertson from the taxi squad to the AHL?

 

[nyr2k2]

Is there any financial benefit to the team sending Barron and Robertson from the taxi squad to the AHL?

No, not really.

The benefit would come if they sent someone else down to the taxi like Miller or waived Smith/Johnson and sent them to the taxi. They have room to do that now.

 

[Off Sides]

I'd go

Kreider-ZBad-Buch

Panarin-Strome- take your pick between Lemieux or Gauthier

Laf-Chytil-Kakko, kid line where one uses their mistakes as learning experiences.

PLD-Howden- whoever you did not pick between Lemieux or Gauthier

While I don't see Lemieux or Gauthier being a prototypical top 6, who knows, maybe the add a dimension to the line that Panarin will likely have to carry anyway, and maybe it gets Strome off his stink.

 

[huerter]

Columbus' decision makers are more Finish than Trouba who, as Lurch would say, is fiiiiiinished. I'm just saying.

 

[RGY]

Columbus' decision makers are more Finish than Trouba who, as Lurch would say, is fiiiiiinished. I'm just saying.

Trouba isn’t going anywhere despite what this nonsensical post is trying to imply.

 

[huerter]

Trouba isn’t going anywhere despite what this nonsensical post is trying to imply.

Not that. I stopped screaming that from the rooftops once his clause kicked in.

 

[RGY]

Not that. I stopped screaming that from the rooftops once his clause kicked in.

He is 26 years old, not 34. He is not “finished” 3 games into is 2nd year here. Stop with the dramatic BS.

 

[aufheben]

This. I get what Quinn is trying to do with teaching young players accountability and “easing” them in, but Kakko isn’t a rookie anymore and is a priority asset to this organization. He should be given just as long to find his game as Strome.

If we’re going to demote kids and cut their PP time for not “finding the on switch” than Chytil, who is now in his third full season but actually seeing NHL action for the 4th year in a row - and actually has a goal and an assist for 2pts in 3 games, versus Strome’s ZERO - than Chytil should be getting a shot to center Panarin right now. Or should we wait til his 4th full season? Or 5th when Strome’s contract is up?

Moreover, we’ve drafted two high creativity, high skill kids with the #1/2 pick in back to back years. Give them the damn PP time. They can’t be less productive than Strome or the second unit currently are, and nothing is better for their confidence and “getting their game going” than getting some PP time and maybe a few easy points.

Right now Hughes obviously looks a step or two ahead of Kakko in his development, but Kakko averaged 14:17 per game as a rookie and is averaging 12:04 so far in his sophomore campaign. Hughes averaged 15:52 as a rookie last year and is getting 19:57 a night so far this year. Sure, we’re a bit deeper, but at some point you just have to let the kids f***ing play if you expect them to get going. These aren’t late 1st rounders or 3rd round picks that you HAVE TO integrate slowly with 14 minutes a night. They’re used to playing big minutes and they’re not going to get a significant rhythm going playing 12 minutes a night and getting scolded like a puppy for every single mistake.

Oh come on man every time Kakko makes it back to the bench he looks like he finished a marathon.

Look at this shit. We’re “a bit deeper”?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Oh come on man every time Kakko makes it back to the bench he looks like he finished a marathon.

Haven't noticed that at all this year.

 

[LokiDog]

Oh come on man every time Kakko makes it back to the bench he looks like he finished a marathon.

That may be. I’m not talking about one kid. In general, the kids need to play. Some PP time isn’t going to hurt Kakko either, but they all should be getting some, and I see no issue with rotating them through Strome’s spot to see if it gets better results and/or gets some of the kids producing/looking more confident.

Hischier is out, and they’re young. A bit deeper is a figure of speech, it wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

 

[aufheben]

Hayes scored 81 points in 158 games averaging 13:21 TOI. Dominic Moore was getting more ice-time than him when he was a rookie.

Miller scored 43 points in one season averaging 15:02 TOI.

Stop acting like it’s impossible to score from the 3rd line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hayes scored 81 points in 158 games averaging 13:21 TOI. Dominic Moore was getting more ice-time than him when he was a rookie.

Miller scored 43 points in one season averaging 15:02 TOI.

Stop acting like it’s impossible to score from the 3rd line.

How much PP time did those guys get?

 

[Irishguy42]

How much PP time did those guys get?

Oooooooo we can answer this!

Per NaturalStatTrick:

In Kevin Hayes' first two NHL seasons, in which he scored 81 points in 158 games, he played 168:47 on the power play (48:10 first season, 120:37 in the second).

JT Miller, in the the 2015-16 season that he scored 43 points, he played 117:46 on the power play.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Oooooooo we can answer this!

Per NaturalStatTrick:

In Kevin Hayes' first two NHL seasons, in which he scored 81 points in 158 games, he played 168:47 on the power play (48:10 first season, 120:37 in the second).

JT Miller, in the the 2015-16 season that he scored 43 points, he played 117:46 on the power play.

And 11 of those 81 points for Hayes came on the PP. 4 of Miller's 43 points came on the PP in 15-16.

Looks like KK has 3:39 of TOI on the PP through 3 games this year per NaturalStatTrick. This is less than all forwards not named PDG, Gauthier, and Chytil. (assuming I used that site correctly, never have used it before)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Oooooooo we can answer this!

Per NaturalStatTrick:

In Kevin Hayes' first two NHL seasons, in which he scored 81 points in 158 games, he played 168:47 on the power play (48:10 first season, 120:37 in the second).

JT Miller, in the the 2015-16 season that he scored 43 points, he played 117:46 on the power play.

I just went through last season and tracked his PP TOI month by month.

Kakko's most productive month was November (8 pts in 13 games.) This was the month where he got the most PP time (almost 42 minutes.)

It's almost as if you put him in a position where he can be productive, he will be productive. Crazy concept, I know.

This doesn't mean throw him on PP1 in place of Panarin or even put him on PP1 at all, but he should be getting more than the 1:10 he's seen on average so far where most of that time is spent trying to get the puck into the OZ after the first unit burns 1:30 or more or being taken off of the PP all together. I don't care how good PP1 was last year, if they're eating 1:30 or more before going off for a change guess what? They haven't been as good this year.

 

[bobbop]

Is there any financial benefit to the team sending Barron and Robertson from the taxi squad to the AHL?

It's likely that AHL training camps are starting. I saw an AHL exhibition game score tonight.

 

[2014nyr]

This is it right here. There are players who are not important long term to this team getting the benefit of the doubt over guys who will be our future. Quinn is so far in over his head it’s insane.

generally speaking, agree. but strome is a unique case. if he's not on that line, he doesn't really fit anywhere else. and panarin wants him on that line, and that basically settles it barring a severe regression.
as for other guys....i def don't get why gauthier hasn't gotten a bigger opportunity - he's one of the few who's flashed. kakko i'm thinking is more of a coaching thing - my guess is quinn either feels he responds best to having things taken away or is testing that as a motivator. we see way too much brett howden. he's better than he was, but he's still just there. he should not be leading the forwards in ice time like after the first against nj - and i don't care what quinn says, there's just no way morgan barron isn't a better player, better fit, and has more upside than howden - no reason not to have given him a chance to stick a bit longer. both laf and kakko have underperformed expectations materially to date - though laf got dealt a tough hand with the amt of time btw games, 10 day camp, and no preseason. and most importantly, its 3 games into years 1 and 2 respectively, no need to panic...kakko slightly concerned with the lack of progress, laf not at all. laf getting almost 15 a game, kakko 12...thats plenty to show you're ready for more. bottom line is anyone who thinks more ice time will unlock some superstar is not watching closely...that could certainly emerge, but that ain't what'll do it. and also that the line changes or lack of those 2 specifically getting more time is costing us wins...no. there's one line with stability and history and they've been together - tho sounds like may change. the rest...its the nhl, its not that hard to adjust to new linemates especially on this team. its not like anyone is between colton orr and john scott. yea over time good lines develop a chemistry that helps them create, but any 3 forwards should be capable of moving a puck up ice competently and creating possession. if combos do they might get more time to find chemistry to create offense out of it. defensively though...jesus. jack johnson - i was open to the idea and keep an open mind but he's been a disaster. and in a pleasant surprise brendan smith has been really impressive. fox is awesome, lindgren and trouba and miller have had moments but overall at or above expectations. seeing jack looks likely to remain in while brendan sits to get tony in is mind boggling. saw whispers thats martins call - suppose quinn could pull rank but has respected his decisions. i mean come on though jacques...its not even close. and its not like if johnson sits any one of those 6 is above playing himself into a suit for a spell aside prob trouba and fox. he could get back in. but at the very least right now johnson is a liability. that move is just negligent decision making and honestly idno if i'm more impressed at how either stubborn or stupid martin is making it. i have nothing against jj and its not his fault he's playing, but he shouldn't be.

i've said before but right now this teams problem is there's no identity. not to say i think there's issues or anything, i think they just don't have a presence to them. part of that is the lineup being volatile and young players jockeying for position within it as well as finding who they are in the nhl - i don't mean to imply there's some toxic locker room competition, but that there's a lot of guys thinking too much trying to follow a system to a degree of orthodoxy to keep their spot in the lineup or just playing not to make a mistake. you look at them and there's no energy, there's no consistency. they play slow and insecure...we look so much slower than we are. we're constantly breaking out pucks to guys who are at a stop or led into a dead end. there's just no cohesiveness 5 on 5. the team identity is not an overnight fix but they can still be competitive as the pieces fall into place if some leaders emerge, especially on the ice.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hayes scored 81 points in 158 games averaging 13:21 TOI. Dominic Moore was getting more ice-time than him when he was a rookie.

Miller scored 43 points in one season averaging 15:02 TOI.

Stop acting like it’s impossible to score from the 3rd line.

can you really compare a 22 year old Hayes and 4 years of College to a 18-19 year old Kakko?

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Zibanejad Buch
Lafreniere Chytil Kakko
Kreider Howden Strome
Lemmy Rooney/PDG/Gauthier

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Smith ADA

lineup management not another strong suit for Quinn IMO. It's almost criminal that Buch, or even Laf, are not on PP1 right wall.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Wow.

Ohhh Derpity Derp Derp — look at these quotes from a year ago!

The big difference now is that we have a number 1 center in Zib so Strome at 2 is fine for now.

Strome isn't going anywhere, Panarin likes playing with him, the organization likes him, the players like him, he helped us create a second scoring line and he fits our age group. The hate is mind numbing.

Derp! Derpity Derp! Look at me, I can count to potato!

I’m going to support Strome, while I go waaaaay out of my way to criticize someone who also supported Strome about 1 whole freaking year ago!

Derp Derp Derp Derpity Derp!

Hey Derp, tell me if your hockey contacts in Pakistan and Lithuania still think we’re the front runners for PLD Derp Derp Derp!