Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[Raspewtin]

idk i absolutely agree TDA should be back in but i have a very hard time changing a lineup that just battered a team as bad as we did Saturday

like we violated the Isles worse than they violated us.

 

[Leonardo87]

stupid to me i don’t care they got a shutout last game

sit JJ and throw Smith w Fox if they want to keep Trouba w Lindgren

Yeah, I thought he'd be back next game. Maybe he still can, but he is not even skating with the starter combos or the PP for that matter, so doesn't look good. I mean Smith had a good game, and Johnson was not noticeable which is a good thing for him, but Tony brings more offense to the PP. Fox had been good there last game, so maybe another game to QB PP1 will be a good opportunity for Fox.

 

[Leonardo87]

It is, but seems like Quinn is set in the don’t change roster after win mentality.

Almost certainly will be George in net again then

Well Quinn is treating Igor and George as a 1a and 1b situation and not a 1 and 2. So wouldn't be shocked if George is in tomorrow. You go with who looked better and is hot.

 

[Trxjw]

Only an idiot would change the lineup after the thrashing we put on the Islanders the other night.

 

[NYR Viper]

I understand not putting him back in. I still don't understand pulling him out in the first place

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Only an idiot would change the lineup after the thrashing we put on the Islanders the other night.

I agree with this unless the change you're making is inserting almost anyone for Jack Johnson. To me, thats always a winning move.

Smith OTOH did nothing but buy himself more ice time.

Also Georgiev should start tomorrow. Play him until he loses. If he goes 55-0, Shesty will have to deal with that.

 

[kovazub94]

I certainly think the Rangers would survive if they moved on from Ryan Strome and replaced him with Chytil, let alone another center they could acquire. The whole argument that the Rangers extended Strome as if that supports anything was merely the Rangers buying more time.

You “certainly think” is the key...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think theres any question that they'd survive with out Strome.

But what are we replacing him with? I'd rather not push Howden into top 9 duty.

 

[kovazub94]

To me, the more I think about it, is my favorite scenario. Chytil making a pld move redundant would be glorious.

Kak and Chytil really looked great and that was against a true playoff team.

Same. Would love for them to sign Chytil on the cheap long-term and see him development into a stud 2C and deal with 1C long-term candidate separately.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Georgiev will be in net tomorrow

 

[B17 Apricots]

The Rangers could conceivably keep Buch if his next contract was somewhat reasonable. Part of the way it would work is keeping it shorter term, say 3-4 years, and bridging someone like Kaako. ADA and Strome would need to be traded but I think we all assume that will happen anyways.

You're probably looking at the 2024 off-season where guys like Kreider and Trouba may be moved just due to arithmetic.

If Gorton goes the path of futures with Strome and ADA in lieu of an established player there is cap space available.

I know I've this said before but thats the route I go. This is still a young developing team with 12 million in dead space so I dont see an urgent need to make a move. When this team inches towards being a real contender and theres a pressing need, thats when you make a move. Teams always need NHL talent and good prospects, and the Rangers will have both. For the time being I stay the course, let things play out. Strome should be a competent stopgap that could gain you an asset. See if Chytil takes a step, him not being an impact player at 20 is not a problem to me. Maybe he never grows into a larger role but if were being honest here and we look at that draft class, how many players/centers can we really point to and say that guy is already a big impact player, there isnt too many. I'll take the Chytil penny stock, put me down as someone who'll wait it out

 

[kovazub94]

Ruh Roh!

It was very obviously coming decision.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I get it. It's hard to blame DQ for not wanting to change the lineup after how we played. The team is objectively worse without Tony in it, though.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think theres any question that they'd survive with out Strome.

But what are we replacing him with? I'd rather not push Howden into top 9 duty.

I certainly did understand a concern prior to signing that Strome could get a long term or pricy contract or a hypothetical 70-point NHLer. But neither was the case so I don’t understand why Strome is still an issue with some.

 

[kovazub94]

I get it. It's hard to blame DQ for not wanting to change the lineup after how we played. The team is objectively worse without Tony in it, though.

The team is worse without Tony who’s able to appropriately channel his emotions. He will be back in the lineup eventually and for the length of the season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I certainly did understand a concern prior to signing that Strome could get a long term or pricy contract or a hypothetical 70-point NHLer. But neither was the case so I don’t understand why Strome is still an issue with some.

I have an issue with him being shoehorned onto PP1.

Other than that, hes here so he's going to play. He may need Panarin to drag his ass around, but he also hasn't dragged Panarin down. Based off of what we have on the roster right now, playing him with Panarin is the best way to get the most out of him.

 

[gravey9]

I agree with this unless the change you're making is inserting almost anyone for Jack Johnson. To me, thats always a winning move.

Smith OTOH did nothing but buy himself more ice time.

Also Georgiev should start tomorrow. Play him until he loses. If he goes 55-0, Shesty will have to deal with that.

When it comes to the D pairings, I think there's another consideration that likely supersedes the rest. Balance/Chemistry.

People assume if TDA draws in, Smith comes out. But I dunno if thats the best option. Both TDA and Miller should be paired with a steady defensive partner. They likely should not be paired together.

If you all noticed, the minute we paired Miller with someone who was more Defensive minded, he started to be more active and mobile. At times, he ran around. But he had more freedom to use his skillset -- skating, anticipation, rushing. Knowing he had someone more stay-at-home next to him he played far less tentative. We got to see what he's good at.

It's possible Miller may morph into a more traditional shutdown guy eventually. But right now I don't think that's his game. He's best when he's active and keeps those legs moving.

Letting him play this way may mean he's not learning all the positioning and fundamentals he needs to. So, there's a trade off here.

But point is, if TDA draws in, who comes out? And if both Miller and TDA are in the lineup, how can you balance the pairings? It's tough.

Maybe: Trouba Lindgren, Fox Miller, TDA Johnson. I don't think that's ideal for Miller or Fox.

OR: Trouba Lindgren, Fox DeAngelo, Miller Johnson? Yikes...

OR no Miller, instead: Trouba Smith, Fox Lindgren, TDA Johnson.

There's not a ton of good options with both Miller and TDA in the lineup. Really hard to balance the units. And really hard to find pairings where each player can play up to their skillset. When Schneider and or Lundkvist comes along the ingredients change. And I think for the better.

 

[Cmox]

Doesn’t it hurt his trade value to do this ?

 

[Fitzy]

Doesn’t it hurt his trade value to do this ?

Unfortunately probably yes, although I would imagine most teams in the league have a pretty good idea of who he is. Offensive dynamo, defensive liability, head case.

 

[True Blue]

Said it before but this happened before, you take yourself out of the lineup and now you gotta wait until we lose to get back in. Not that it was Tony's fault we lost because we were all bad but you can't mess with a lineup that had a 9 goal swing against the same team because if you put him back in and they are a mess again you have a hard decision to make of whether you take him out again. Unfortunately for him he's gonna sit until the team looks bad.

Can't really argue with this. In the end, DeAngelo being scratched is all on DeAngelo. Now he has to bide his time.

 

[True Blue]

I don't think theres any question that they'd survive with out Strome.

But what are we replacing him with? I'd rather not push Howden into top 9 duty.

That is the million dollar question and point. There is just no viable replacement right now. And Howden has looked good in the first two games. Let him continue to get more confidence exactly where he is at right now.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would be more comfortable with Chytil at 2C and Howden at 3C now that I have seen Howden and how much stronger he looks on the puck this year. In saying that, ideally, Strome would get going and then be traded closer to the deadline to give Chytil and Howden some runway to not drink from the firehose.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Torts is benching Dubois against the Wings. Most likely Dubois's days are numbered shortly. Gordon should make his best offer ASAP.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Torts is benching Dubois against the Wings. Most likely Dubois's days are numbered shortly. Gordon should make his best offer ASAP.

on the ice now

 

[kovazub94]

I have an issue with him being shoehorned onto PP1.

Other than that, hes here so he's going to play. He may need Panarin to drag his ass around, but he also hasn't dragged Panarin down. Based off of what we have on the roster right now, playing him with Panarin is the best way to get the most out of him.

I don’t like PP1 set up with him on the right wall as a righty, and I did voiced it when they first tried it last year - but it worked last year so until it doesn’t - it’s not an issue to me.