Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[RGY]

Send in your resume smarty pants, make sure you include this post in it.

Be more dramatic while you are getting buried here, you can’t.

 

[kovazub94]

Really happy for Georgiev you can see he works hard and has great attitude but I have no doubt Shesterkin is the real deal. I would go back to him. Having said that we witnessed already how important it was to keep Georgiev and not trade him for magic beans that JG was offered

In today’s NHL, and especially in this compact shortened season, you need a backup who’s more of a 1B rather than 2.

 

[Fitzy]

Don't you remember how little Quebec got for Lindros?

Not super sure what point this is meant to make, considering Lindros was dealt at a time when he was considered the next Mario Lemieux/Wayne level player.

PLD is considered the next possible Bergeron. Which is great, but not the same.

 

[kovazub94]

I was always under the impression that we couldn't afford Buch therefore he wouldn't be a long term solution. Can he fit under the cap?

It really changes things if he becomes a reliable 2way player. How much will he want? Extend for 2-3 years then reevaluate?

I remember being so annoyed when you used suggest trading Buch for peanuts in every post (when you weren’t questioning his abilities).

I’m glad it’s behind us.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

so should we never make a trade cause it might not work out?

I just wouldn't give up the farm.

 

[kovazub94]

Haha nah I never claimed to be the smartest poster, fan, or that I am never wrong. This is another lazy response on your end, defaulting to a childish response because someone is calling out a player you love. Its going to be ok.

I know this is hard for you because of the blinders you have on, but it could very well be that an NHL Head Coach has some flaws in player evaluation. Especially one that had no NHL Head Coaching experience prior to being hired by the Rangers. It is indeed possible that DQ does some things well and other things poorly. But I know that cannot possibly apply here because it does not fit your argument or narrative in defending Ryan Strome. Does Strome have some offensive ability and talent? Sure. But his flaws and shortcomings far outweigh the positives and thats what makes him a crappy hockey player. Panarin drives that line and Strome is a passenger. I would love for someone to pull up that graphic NHLN had during the offseason with Strome’s advanced stats with Panarin and without him. The difference is drastic. It is a wide gap, not some small marginal drop off. Overall, he is a bad hockey player. A 3rd liner. He has no business being on PP1. But then again we are watching Howden get PP2 time with Chytil and Kakko getting none. Coach is never wrong though, right? Bottom line is, the disdain for Strome is more than justifiable.

Like I said, keep dying on the Ryan Strome hill.

If he was such a terrible player and only Quinn couldn’t see it because he’s a terrible coach and a talent evaluator, then the front office could’ve just walked away from giving him a 2-year (!!!) contract when the team was in such a dire cap situation this offseason and cheap options available everywhere. Also, how about Davidson - being somewhat of a newcomer or an outsider who didn’t have any inherent interest with Strome who had a veto vote on this matter???

 

[haveandare]

I just wouldn't give up the farm.

Agreed. People are valuing him like he’s some ppg stud. He scored 60 points once. Impressive for his age but I’m sure as hell not giving up a ridiculous one sided haul for him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Be more dramatic while you are getting buried here, you can’t.

JD call yet Bowman?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If he was such a terrible player and only Quinn couldn’t see it because he’s a terrible coach and a talent evaluator, then the front office could’ve just walked away from giving him a 2-year (!!!) contract when the team was in such a dire cap situation this offseason and cheap options available everywhere. Also, how about Davidson - being somewhat of a newcomer or an outsider who didn’t have any inherent interest with Strome who had a veto vote on this matter???

If it wasn't already obvious HF poster RGY is smarter than Quinn/Gorton/Davidson .

 

[Fitzy]

I just wouldn't give up the farm.

Take what I'd give up for Eichel, but it in half, and thats my offer for PLD.

Strome obviously heads the other way in either deal for cap reasons. I don't think ADA gets included, I think he will be traded in his own independent deal.

 

[RGY]

If he was such a terrible player and only Quinn couldn’t see it because he’s a terrible coach and a talent evaluator, then the front office could’ve just walked away from giving him a 2-year (!!!) contract when the team was in such a dire cap situation this offseason and cheap options available everywhere. Also, how about Davidson - being somewhat of a newcomer or an outsider who didn’t have any inherent interest with Strome who had a veto vote on this matter???

He was an RFA. The Rangers shopped him and got no interest. Maybe they should have walked away. They decided to keep him around, likely because they felt it was better to give him the 2 years with the hope they can trade him for something else. I don’t think they wanted to go 2 years, but I think the 2nd year is what helped them get the AAV to where they wanted it to be. This was discussed extensively when he was re-signed. It very well could be they took the lesser of the two undesired paths between letting him walk or re-signing him with the hope they can flip him.

I know this doesn’t jive well with a certain Strome defender here but this is a clear and real possibility.

 

[RGY]

If it wasn't already obvious HF poster RGY is smarter than Quinn/Gorton/Davidson .

Keep being a dramatic little girl. I have been here a long time. Much longer than you. I have never once claimed to be smarter than anyone. You hate that someone is criticizing a player you like and your response to stake extreme overzealous claims to deflect. Your staunch defense of Strome is comedic at this point. You have brought nothing to the table that supports Strome as being a good hockey player.

 

[kovazub94]

He was an RFA. The Rangers shopped him and got no interest. Maybe they should have walked away. They decided to keep him around, likely because they felt it was better to give him the 2 years with the hope they can trade him for something else. I don’t think they wanted to go 2 years, but I think the 2nd year is what helped them get the AAV to where they wanted it to be. This was discussed extensively when he was re-signed. It very well could be they took the lesser of the two desired paths between letting him walk or re-signing him with the hope they can flip him.

I know this doesn’t jive well with a certain Strome defender here but this is a clear and real possibility.

Nope. If this was the case the simplest solution for the Rangers would be to walk away and spend $4.6m elsewhere.
Sometimes it’s worth to allow yourself to change your mind, be flexible or don’t have a super strong opinion in the first place.

 

[RGY]

Nope. If this was the case the simplest solution for the Rangers would be to walk away and spend $4.6m elsewhere.
Sometimes it’s worth to allow yourself to change your mind, be flexible or don’t have a super strong opinion in the first place.

Where were they spending the $4.6? Granlund? I would have been for that. Were the Rangers for Granlund though?

If the Rangers liked him so much why did they put him on the trade block? Why did they wait until the 11th hour to sign him?

Sometimes its ok to be flexible to change YOUR mind. I have a strong opinion? Sure, but I think there is merit to it. Oh and the above just highlights the offensive / possession drop off away from Panarin. It doesn’t take a deep dive into his putrid play defensively and handling of the puck.

 

[pld459666]

Don't you remember how little Quebec got for Lindros?

Not comparable.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Keep being a dramatic little girl. I have been here a long time. Much longer than you. I have never once claimed to be smarter than anyone. You hate that someone is criticizing a player you like and your response to stake extreme overzealous claims to deflect. Your staunch defense of Strome is comedic at this point. You have brought nothing to the table that supports Strome as being a good hockey player.

Your hate for Strome clouds your opinions, he isn't even in my top 10 of favorite players on this team so i don't know why you say i like him. I just dont take the idiotic opinion that he is as you say, a terrible player. There's nothing you can say that takes away from the fact that the hockey minds in New York feel he was good enough to sign him again and use him on the 2nd line and on the PP and PK. Now i know New York's staff haven't been posting here since 2015 or whatever it is so their resume might be lacking in that oh so critical area of hockey evaluations, but im happy my views of hockey are more aligned with them then the 'HF RGY you're a dramatic little girl' guy.

 

[RGY]

Your hate for Strome clouds your opinions, he isn't even in my top 10 of favorite players on this team so i don't know why you say i like him. I just dont take the idiotic opinion that he is as you say, a terrible player. There's nothing you can say that takes away from the fact that the hockey minds in New York feel he was good enough to sign him again and use him on the 2nd line and on the PP and PK. Now i know New York's staff haven't been posting here since 2015 or whatever it is so their resume might be lacking in that oh so critical area of hockey evaluations, but im happy my views of hockey are more aligned with them then the 'HF RGY you're a dramatic little girl' guy.

I will just keep posting the statistical FACTS for you. That is all.

 

[Ola]

So what do we have on Bokondji Imama?

Just for the record, he is a guy we just must get, IMO.

 

[LokiDog]

Not comparable.

Forsberg + isn’t peanuts anyway.

Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, future considerations —which eventually became Chris Simon — two first-round draft picks, and $15 million.

 

[pld459666]

Forsberg + isn’t peanuts anyway.

Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, future considerations —which eventually became Chris Simon — two first-round draft picks, and $15 million.

The market for Lindros was MUCH wider than it is for PLD

And in the end, Foppa ended up being the better player

 

[LokiDog]

The market for Lindros was MUCH wider than it is for PLD

And in the end, Foppa ended up being the better player

Yeah, the situations aren’t remotely comparable. I just saw a post saying Quebec got little for Lindros as I was scrolling and it caught my eye.

 

[Ola]

@Edge How often has Bokondji Imama‘a name come up in those discussions between LA and NYR? Every time?

I am over Curtis Lazar, this is the guy we should get. Obaby, if Gorton doesn’t get it JD must step in and make it happen.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think Strome would have gotten any more in arbitration on a one year deal.

Completely think that it was good that we kept him, but that 2nd year could be an inhibiting factor on certain things we'd like to see.

I also think trade deadline rental Strome could quite possibly return more than Strome with a full season at 4.6 remaining, given what the flat cap has done to the value of players with contract $$

Strome at this TDL could have probably fetched us a second rounder.

 

[NYSPORTS]

PLD - can the Rangers move Kreider plus? Can’t afford the kid

 

[NYblades]

Where does Tony D. slot into assuming he's out of the doghouse?