Disagree. A part of Quinn's success to management is how the kids continue to develop. He very much understands that.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIII
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I think the point is that there is an intersection of what is somewhat possible or realistic in terms of landing a dream prospect, and also what would make the Rangers move off their general direction of no longer trading for "pure futures."
Again, just in 2019 it almost happened with Buch for Zegras. Just one draft ago, not that long.
The point of the discussion is to identify where else such a transaction might make sense for the Rangers - and there are assuredly more than just one such scenario for Zegras. In the case of a player like DeAngelo, who you just said you think gets traded, what player he might fetch back, and if that player is a "future," whether that still makes sense.
What if it's Krebs? I might consider such a deal, yet he's a "future." In a scenario where Vegas hadn't signed a free agent impact defenseman, I think such a trade may have enticed them. Surely it is very possible other deals like that are out there.
Your alternate is what? Limit yourself only to players currently in the league? What if he can't bring back a Lindholm or Monohan? Are we settling for current NHLers who are third liners simply to get something back that can play now? So say Schneider has an amazing season and looks like he's ready to jump to NYC next season. The Rangers brass internally decides that due to K'Andre Miller's performance eliminating a left-side role for DeAngelo, there is no more roster spot for him since, despite his point production, they want more grit at RD and are fine with the point production of Fox and Trouba on that side.
What if no one is offering an under-25 2c who is currently in the league? They aren't taking Krebs back just to spite themselves since he's a "future"? He could fill one of our only remaining holes - the need for an impact top 6 center.
That's not really believable that they'd not look at that option.
The point is while they might PREFER a guy like Lindholm, you are making these declarations about them not wanting "futures," that aren't really believable. Of course there is a point where they would love to have a "future" like Krebs over the next best current NHLer offered.
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The circumstances in entering the 2019 draft could not possibly be any more different than the circumstances in entering the 2021 season. What was applicable then, is not applicable today.
When you are talking about trading a 24 year old defenseman, who is coming off essentially a 60 point season, it is pretty fair for me to ask you for your trade profile. So tell me, what are the teams and the prospects that you are referring to?
You are asking me to opine? No, I do not think that they trade him for Krebs. Again, as was pointed out, barring someone who is either ready to step in right now or in the very, very near term AND is an absolute can't miss blue chip prospect, no I do not think that DeAngelo is being moved.
Or, if there is absolutely no choice in the matter at all.
My alternative, is then not to make a move when none needs to be made. He is here and is signed for two years. Lundqvist and Schneider are not here and are not currently knocking on the door of the NHL. I am more than content to watch him play, continue to help the club get to its goal and continue to develop. If those two things continue to occur, I believe that his market will create itself. After all, how many other 24 year old defensemen did what he did last year? How about in the last 20 years? If he goes out and repeats it or increases it, either his market will present it self OR the Rangers plan will adapt itself.
Regarding Miller, the Rangers have decided to give a rookie a chance after an impressive two week camp and a few scrimmages. They can just as quickly change their minds. Not that I believe that the left side was realistic for DeAngelo anyway.
Yes, IF there is no other possible choice on the planet, they would take whatever deal they could. IF DeAngelo continues to develop and IF Lundqvist and Schneider continue to develop and IF even after continuing to pace 60-60+ points NO ONE in the NHL would want such a young player who plays a side that is generally a weakness for most teams and IF DeAngelo's contract demands hit a different stratosphere, yes, then Gorton would deal him for what he could get. However, that date is not now. And those IFs have not played out. So no, barring the scenarios that I and others have outlined, DeAngelo is going to stay here this year and try to help the Rangers make the playoffs.
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That is not true remotely. They know they still need long term solutions at center, they know they likely have more options than they can use at RD, and they know they are about to ice a team that cannot realistically compete for a Cup. The situations are actually relatively similar in many ways, frankly.
I'm actually not in a rush to trade DeAngelo.
I'm operating under the assumption that you stated, that he will be moved when Schneider is close, or some other player that offers more size and defense.
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But the entire premise here is that you just said that you cannot see them keeping him when Schneider comes knocking.
So by that definition a move would need to be made.
Well if he does that all of a sudden then a Zegras-like return isn't as far fetched, is it? And by that time maybe another player they love like Lundell is much closer to the NHL and has proven himself as a prospect. A lot of things could happen, and one of those things might be that there is a "future," center sitting there that we love, and some team has a need for a RD and is willing to deal one of those future centers we love.
As such this blanket prohibition on acquiring "futures," is seriously misplaced.
You'd have to get serious in-NHL value for it to be better than snagging a player like Lundell or Zegras in exchange for a repeat-performance DeAngelo.
Again, we're talking a situation where Schneider is taking his job relatively soon, and under that premise, that moving DeAngelo for a high-value future is better than a lesser-value current league player, since DeAngelo's role is being filled internally anyway.
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With a flat cap, the only way Zegras gets traded is for a player on an ELC or still unsigned like Lundkvist.
I think you have an easier time acquiring Alex Turcotte than acquiring Trevor Zegras to be honest. The Kings and Rangers seem like a match made in heaven. Lundkvist for Turcotte has both teams trade from a position of strength and Lundkvist would join an organization that has the system in place to have him succeed, with the Swedish contingent there.
Time will tell what Gorton does. Trading DeAngelo or Lundkvist, or maybe someone else. We'll see.
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Expecting it might be a stretch. It's possible but just because a player is still young doesn't guarantee his production will go up. I always think of Selänne when we discuss this who set his single season records for goals and points in his rookie season and never got close to those again
Jeez, a lot of Unibomber manifestos being written
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I agree w/ LA. Anaheim has Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom, Groulx to build around. Doubtful they move Zegras so you'll have to take one of the other 3. LA has Vilardi, Turcotte, Byfield, Madden, Akil Thomas, & Kupari. They have the center prospect depth to make the trade. They can afford to lose one of Vilardi, Turcotte, or Byfield for Lundkvist.
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Roster officially announced, the exact 20 guys speculated last few days
"OFFICIAL: #NYR announce 22 players on their active roster and trim 18 players.
Taxi squad: Barron, Bitetto, Blackwell, Hajek, Kinkaid, Robertson"
15 Fs and 10 D seems unbalanced, but good learning opportunity for Robertson
18 cuts means (after 6 to Taxi) assigned to Hartford include:
Greco, Brodzinski, Gettinger, Khodorenko, Richards, Rueschhoff, Fontaine,
Crawley, Reuanen, Raddysh, Huska, Wall
my 2cents: why they don't waive Smith for cap relief assignment on (at least) off-days is beyond me
"OFFICIAL: #NYR announce 22 players on their active roster and trim 18 players.
Taxi squad: Barron, Bitetto, Blackwell, Hajek, Kinkaid, Robertson"
15 Fs and 10 D seems unbalanced, but good learning opportunity for Robertson
18 cuts means (after 6 to Taxi) assigned to Hartford include:
Greco, Brodzinski, Gettinger, Khodorenko, Richards, Rueschhoff, Fontaine,
Crawley, Reuanen, Raddysh, Huska, Wall
my 2cents: why they don't waive Smith for cap relief assignment on (at least) off-days is beyond me
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It’s fine not to have one when your top 9 isn’t as soft as charmin 2 ply. While not bruisers zibby,kreider, LAF,kakko( when he fills out) don’t shy away from contact. Buch has even displayed a little chippyness to his game. They there are guys like trouba Lemieux and ADA that are even more abrasive. I think overall size wise this is one of the bigger line ups we have had in recent years. Youth helps for sure as we are top 3 maybe top 1 in overall age. We have had some good teams but for sure but they were also pretty soft there’s no denying that. I think that was one of managements overall goals along with talent. They want more beef all over the roster without losing speed
I agree if the rangers want to get a center LA seems like a match made in heaven. They are weak at RD and have centers coming out their ears. Seems like a perfect match
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that's utter nonsense!
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He's risky for being injured so often, but if he stays healthy and comes to the Rangers, he can really be a part of something special. I really don't know what would be fair value for him.
Main board says a 2nd or a 3rd. Would they be interested in Hajek?
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Supposedly a skilled playmaker and a good skater. Not overly physical, but wins board battles. He has done well in the AHL so far.
Not just points with him either. He has sandpaper in his game. Weapon in The shootout/OT, Sticks up for teammates. Well liked in the room. Honestly if they deal him, Fox may replace the points but what about all the other stuff? And I agree with you, I think with all the talent the rangers have now his numbers will actually go up. His offense isn’t Strome flukyness.. he’s had it since juniors
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Almost forgot that this next year will already be the third of his contract. Barring anything catastrophic, he'll also easily reach year four.
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