Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Chytil is listed at 6'2'' 188 but those seem like 2017-18 listings. He grew in the last year or two now that he's 21.

In his draft year, his measurements were:

• 6' 0.5"
• 189 lbs

Today, his measurements are:

• 6'2"
• 203 lbs

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I was listening to NHL Network radio tonight and they had a guest on from Calgary’s radio booth. In regards to Lindholm I don’t see any chance they’re trading him. He said Calgary loves him and is moving him to center this season and views him as their Patrice Bergeron. I just don’t see a trade for him unless the Rangers overpay. The next guest was a Vancouver insider and he pretty much politely trashed Virtanen. He said the team is disappointed, he isn’t as physical/doesn’t initiate contact as much as they’d hoped. Doesn’t sound like someone we should take a chance on when we already have Gauthier trying to make it.

 

[SA16]

I was listening to NHL Network radio tonight and they had a guest on from Calgary’s radio booth. In regards to Lindholm I don’t see any chance they’re trading him. He said Calgary loves him and is moving him to center this season and views him as their Patrice Bergeron. I just don’t see a trade for him unless the Rangers overpay. The next guest was a Vancouver insider and he pretty much politely trashed Virtanen. He said the team is disappointed, he isn’t as physical/doesn’t initiate contact as much as they’d hoped. Doesn’t sound like someone we should take a chance on when we already have Gauthier trying to make it.

So they hate Virtanen but they also just gave him 5M?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Both the Blues and Ducks are over the cap at the moment, right? I mean we have little cap space, but might we see us shedding the Smith contract in one deal and then acquiring Hampus Lindholm or Vince Dunn in another deal?

 

[bobbop]

Both the Blues and Ducks are over the cap at the moment, right? I mean we have little cap space, but might we see us shedding the Smith contract in one deal and then acquiring Hampus Lindholm or Vince Dunn in another deal?

Both have players headed to LTIR so they will probably be OK to start the season. Others are in a tighter crunch — Tampa, Islanders, Vegas, Vancouver

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Should have signed Thornton.

Guaranteed 4-goal game from Chytil.

Is Martin Biron making a comeback?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Both the Blues and Ducks are over the cap at the moment, right? I mean we have little cap space, but might we see us shedding the Smith contract in one deal and then acquiring Hampus Lindholm or Vince Dunn in another deal?

I wouldn't expect any more moves unless they are of the league minimum contract type

 

[Avery16]

Both the Blues and Ducks are over the cap at the moment, right? I mean we have little cap space, but might we see us shedding the Smith contract in one deal and then acquiring Hampus Lindholm or Vince Dunn in another deal?

Don’t know about the Ducks, but St Louis will go substantially into the season with Tarasenko on the LTIR. They’re fine. They’ll move like four other people before giving up on Dunn.

 

[kovazub94]

Filip has the size speed and skill...just needs to continue to progress..I-see Jagr-lite

Just trying to manage expectations for the upcoming season for those expecting Chytil to become the player he’s going to be in his prime. In my opinion he’s at least one season away, likely two to be anywhere close to that level.

As far as playing style is concerned the most significant “light” part in comparison to Jagr comes from hands and hockey IQ. Chytil will be a physical player in a sense he will be difficult to separate from the pack or move from in front of the net. Also more of a scorer than a set-up man.

 

[kovazub94]

That's actually the definition of 'experience.' I just think it's ufair to compare the two. My thoughts are that Chytil has budding talent but at this rate, he looks like a third line forward, not a top-six guy. Hope springs eternal but I'd take a middle-six C. I hope I'm wrong (probably am).

Any age, 1 game in the NHL makes you more experienced as far as prospects go.

If you’re tired of hearing about Zibanejad then take a look at Dadonov. He had NHL games under his belt with completely unspectacular results across 3 seasons by the age of 22 or 23 (he did relatively well in the AHL). Went back to KHL to grow and mature. Came back 6 years later to “all of a sudden” become 60-point forward.

I know often it’s difficult to separate growth, maturation and experience but these are separate (though closely related) entities.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Maybe not today. I think the FO thinks that Miller is really, really close. They seemed to really like what they saw from him in the expanded camp leading up to the play-in series. So, while the opening night roster might not happen, he could be here at some point next season.

I also think that Miller being really close was part of the reason for the JJ signing.

Rushing him would be a sin. Let him dominate in Hartford before we get all excited.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Both have players headed to LTIR so they will probably be OK to start the season. Others are in a tighter crunch — Tampa, Islanders, Vegas, Vancouver

Vancouver is certainly one to watch!

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

I really hope players are taking advantage of the extended break and gaining some mass that otherwise wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances. Namely Kakko, Chytil, and that tooth pick Gauthier.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Rushing him would be a sin. Let him dominate in Hartford before we get all excited.

I don't think they have any intention in rushing him. I just think it won't be long before the PTB feel that he's ready. And ready means knocking down the door, forcing his way into the lineup and then performing in a warrant that make it so he can't be taken out.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I really hope players are taking advantage of the extended break and gaining some mass that otherwise wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances. Namely Kakko, Chytil, and that tooth pick Gauthier.

Isn't Gauthier notorious for being jacked?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I really hope players are taking advantage of the extended break and gaining some mass that otherwise wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances. Namely Kakko, Chytil, and that tooth pick Gauthier.

 

[dshea19]

Better season coming for him. His determination to improve and compete, along with natural growth as an adult plus training, will provide for a good season. How good is the only question.

 

[GAGLine]

Isn't Gauthier notorious for being jacked?

He's notorious b.i.g?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

LOL at Gauthier being called a toothpick. The dude is strong af.

 

[Edge]

Howden is a potential bottom 6 player ...maybe

Player A is 21 years old, with 26 goals and 49 points in 144 games played, to go along with a minus 34.

Player B is 22 years old, with 15 goals and 42 points in 136 games played, to go along with a minus 27.

Taking the names off the bottles, I think most people are probably surprised that the results are as close as they are.

 

[kovazub94]

Player A is 21 years old, with 26 goals and 49 points in 144 games played, to go along with a minus 34.

Player B is 22 years old, with 15 goals and 42 points in 136 games played, to go along with a minus 27.

Taking the names off the bottles, I think most people are probably surprised that the results are as close as they are.

Subtract 9 games, 3 points and -5 from player A and it will be even closer.

I'm personally guilty of this too. I'm very high on Player A developing into 1C, while having much more limited expectations re. Player B and much of it is attributed to 1.5 years of the difference in their age. I will try to be a bit more generous re. the latter.

 

[Edge]

Subtract 9 games, 3 points and -5 from player A and it will be even closer.

I'm personally guilty of this too. I'm very high on Player A developing into 1C, while having much more limited expectations re. Player B and much of it is attributed to 1.5 years of the difference in their age. I will try to be a bit more generous re. the latter.

I think I calculated that if Player B played the same amount of games it worked out to a 10 goal, 5 point difference.

Make no mistake, Player A has the higher ceiling and I wouldn't trade him for Player B. However, to your point, I hesitate to proclaim that Player A is on the brink of becoming a second line center, let alone a first line center. Likewise, I am hesitant to proclaim that Player B will be lucky if he can stick in a bottom six role.

I often feel like both players are pushed too far in opposite directions.

 

[Fvital92]

Player A is 21 years old, with 26 goals and 49 points in 144 games played, to go along with a minus 34.

Player B is 22 years old, with 15 goals and 42 points in 136 games played, to go along with a minus 27.

Taking the names off the bottles, I think most people are probably surprised that the results are as close as they are.

And that is why the eye test should go along with stats, even more with young players.

 

[Edge]

And that is why the eye test should go along with stats, even more with young players.

It should.

But we also have to be careful with the eye test because we can use it re-affirm what we want it to re-affirm, and not necessarily use it to accurately evalutate the reality of the results we're receiving.

 

[SA16]

Player A is 21 years old, with 26 goals and 49 points in 144 games played, to go along with a minus 34.

Player B is 22 years old, with 15 goals and 42 points in 136 games played, to go along with a minus 27.

Taking the names off the bottles, I think most people are probably surprised that the results are as close as they are.

Out of all forwards who have played 1,000 minutes the last two years
player B also ranks:

1. CA60 534/534
2. SA60 534/534
3. xGA60 534/534
3. GA60 527/534

Probably shouldn't just leave those out because their points are similar.