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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

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Kupo said:
That doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll be a good trade though. The asking price for the dmen you’re thinking of likely starts with Fox, KK, or Laf.

There are what, 35-45 very good LHD in this league? Most of the teams that have that player are reluctant to give him up. If they are, the price will likely be absurd.

Skjei was moved for a 1st round pick. Brady. f***ing. Skjei. And we all know he sucks monkey balls.

A really good LHD, that fits our timeline? You’re talking about a significant amount of compensation. And not just value either - but all the other shit has to work too. Cap/Salary/Contract.

You’re talking about a handful of players that probably fit our structure. I don’t blame Gorton for not blowing his load on acquiring one of them. Hell, the answer to that hole defensively might lie within, if we’re patient enough.
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I always wondered why Skjei was so popular in the monkey community.
 
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bobbop said:
The thing about Toronto that is interesting to me is that they stockpiled the BPAs but when Dubas had a chance to make his signature trade and balance the roster, he shit the bed. Kadri for Barrie was a disaster, partly because the coach didn’t buy into the trade.

Gorton will have his chance at some point to make that kind of deal. I can’t tell you who the players will be or when it will happen, but I can tell you it is coming, it will be big and it will really impact the future of the team.
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You're right- although I will say that I think Barrie was a bad fill in for a year. With TOR it shows you that they still had their distribution the way I highlighted at a very high level through the looking glass. Kadri was the surplus asset, and they needed a right side defenseman to eat 22-24 a night, with or without set pairings. They counter, you have four one touch scorers and playmakers going the other way also for 22-24 a night when needed. Brodie got term for a reason.

The Rangers will have to make a trade or three at some point. They will be capped out. That's why TOR is a good benchmark. Four years in to their top pick. All of their star young players hitting that man strong age, post ELC with term. Think you will eventually see a Johnson and Kapanen type of deal. Everyone gets paid that way.
 
zephyr said:
Chytil is not finishing college, he's a seasoned NHLer. He's beyond the expectations stage.
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Age matters. Kaprizov coming over at age 23 will be a more physically mature and better allround player than Kravtsov who came over at age 19.

Chytil is 21. Starting his 4th season (3rd full) in the NHL doesn't make him "3 years more experienced than 21 year old Chris Kreider"
 
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GAGLine said:
When you call it negligent, you are absolutely criticizing Gorton and ignoring the realities of the situation.
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Is Gorton your dad or something? I’m neither criticizing Gorton nor ignoring reality. Gorton, by some accounts tried to get a LHD. He saw the need as well. If there was nothing out there, there was nothing out there. What I’m saying is we are not setting up the defender that we have invested the most in up for success. If Trouba’s value continues to go down, that is a situation that gets ugly very fast, especially when fans get back in.
 
This year is going to be discombobulated due to COVID so this affords the NYR front office to assess and regroup with cap space for the 2021-2022 season. I can’t wait to go to a game again.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
We also don't have the cap space for Kravtsov (or Barron)
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I actually think we'd be ok if either earned a spot...right now with 13f/7d we'd have roughly $1.5 mil in space. kravtsov and barron would count $1.775 mil with their ful bonuses. But assuming that someone else gets bumped from the roster at 700k+ depending on who it was, they would fit. So we can't add them as a 14th forward but can fit them if they make the team...

I think the harder issue will be earning a spot, especially for kravtsov. the only spot in the top 9 that is 'up for grabs' is the 3RW spot...
 
zephyr said:
Chytil is not finishing college, he's a seasoned NHLer. He's beyond the expectations stage.
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He’s still 21 and hasn’t hit his grown man strength yet. Kreider and Zibanejad for that matter at his age weren’t going end to end scoring on breakaways or going thru their legs to set up highlight reel assists against nhl d-men like Fil has done already. I’ll admit I wasn’t his biggest supporter when we drafted him, but the talent size and skill are all there with him. If we didn’t get lucky with Kakko and LaF he would be getting a lot more accolades. This year Chytil just needs to be more consistent. Work harder on the ice and in the training room and he will be fine. I have a feeling if Howden does that he is gonna make people eat crow as well. He didn’t get any AHL time at all. There was a reason he was high up on Tampa’s prospect list and they really didn’t want to deal him. There’s not many organizations better at drafting forwards. Strength is Howden a main issue. He has the hustle and hockey sense to be very good bottom sixer. Good size and wheels too. By 24-25 years old these are def 2 guys that can make you look very foolish for wanting to dumb them so fast. Rebuilding is slow and annoying but trust the process we have been extremely lucky and have a lot of kid depth everywhere. A few studs at forward, Fox on D and an absolute gem between the pipes. Future so bright gotta wear shades
 
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Against my better judgment as he's still young, I think Kravstov needs to be with the big team this year for better or worse.

At the very least he should be learning the NA game in the AHL.

Enough with the KHL bs..
 
NYR said:
Against my better judgment as he's still young, I think Kravstov needs to be with the big team this year for better or worse.

At the very least he should be learning the NA game in the AHL.

Enough with the KHL bs..
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When you're good enough, you can go straight to the NHL. This whole "learning the NA game" isn't nearly as important as people think it is. It's usually players who aren't good enough yet for the NHL.

Aho, Donskoi, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Panarin, Pettersson, Gusev, Kopitar, Bäckström, Bratt, Söderberg and Lehkonen are just some examples
 
He's not going to become good enough at the NA game until he starts playing the NA game.

A player of his pedigree needs to be closer to the action IMO
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Age matters. Kaprizov coming over at age 23 will be a more physically mature and better allround player than Kravtsov who came over at age 19.

Chytil is 21. Starting his 4th season (3rd full) in the NHL doesn't make him "3 years more experienced than 21 year old Chris Kreider"
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That's actually the definition of 'experience.' I just think it's ufair to compare the two. My thoughts are that Chytil has budding talent but at this rate, he looks like a third line forward, not a top-six guy. Hope springs eternal but I'd take a middle-six C. I hope I'm wrong (probably am).

Any age, 1 game in the NHL makes you more experienced as far as prospects go.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
That's actually the definition of 'experience.' I just think it's ufair to compare the two. My thoughts are that Chytil has budding talent but at this rate, he looks like a third line forward, not a top-six guy. Hope springs eternal but I'd take a middle-six C. I hope I'm wrong (probably am).

Any age, 1 game in the NHL makes you more experienced as far as prospects go.
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If Chytil turns into a more finesse/less physical Handzus, that's a win. Not a comparison based on birth country, both are big bodies who protect the puck well and can cycle.

Chytil doesn't have the mean streak and his assists are usually ugly so far (he's no Adam Oates) but I can absolutely see him having baseball pitcher type stats like 25-13 or maybe even a constant 20-20 guy who eventually becomes a 30 goal scorer.
 
Roo Returns said:
If Chytil turns into a more finesse/less physical Handzus, that's a win. Not a comparison based on birth country, both are big bodies who protect the puck well and can cycle.

Chytil doesn't have the mean streak and his assists are usually ugly so far (he's no Adam Oates) but I can absolutely see him having baseball pitcher type stats like 25-13 or maybe even a constant 20-20 guy who eventually becomes a 30 goal scorer.
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If all goes well he can be a bigger version of Hertl. They play a similar game. Hertl is a lil faster but Chytil is bigger and protects the puck better, better along the boards too if Fil takes the next step I can see him being a 30-30 30-20 type finesse center
 
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jay from jersey said:
If all goes well he can be a bigger version of Hertl. They play a similar game. Hertl is a lil faster but Chytil is bigger and protects the puck better if Fil takes the next step I can see him being a 30-30 30-20 type finesse center
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Should have signed Thornton.

Guaranteed 4-goal game from Chytil.
 
Roo Returns said:
If Chytil turns into a more finesse/less physical Handzus, that's a win. Not a comparison based on birth country, both are big bodies who protect the puck well and can cycle.

Chytil doesn't have the mean streak and his assists are usually ugly so far (he's no Adam Oates) but I can absolutely see him having baseball pitcher type stats like 25-13 or maybe even a constant 20-20 guy who eventually becomes a 30 goal scorer.
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Is he that big?
 
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