Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

[TheBloodyNine]

What is Ownership and Market? Seems like our score is low, particularly considering we have an owner who spends to the cap and a market that's one of the best in the league.

I thought the exact same. Dolan has deep pockets and stays out of the affairs of Gorton/JD and we live in the biggest city in the world with a rabid fan base.

 

[Leetch3]

Anybody listen to JD on NHL radio this afternoon? I missed the first few minutes but I'll try and parrot what he said. Paraphrasing here of course.

He raved about the defensive depth. Of course going on about Nils and Miller. JD and company love Nils all around game. Says Miller has really looked great and may make the Rangers out of camp. Obvious stuff that we've heard.

I found it interesting that you can tell in his banter that he really loves Robertson, Jones and Schneider. Thinks those three make the Rangers future D core stacked. Said he hopes to see them in the WJs.

Another interesting bit from him was when he talked about Morgan Barron. Said he wasn't a kid, Implied that he's ready or about ready, and said that he may be the best conditioned Ranger "EVER".

Don't recall any goaltender talk from him. He talked about Kaako "popping" in the 3 games at the bubble and ALF being the real deal. Didnt hear him mention Kravtsov at all. Nor Howden, nor Gauthier when talking youth. Actually don't recall any conversation about current roster players other than the FA signings.

Didn't seemed thrilled about the almost 13 mill in dead cap but felt it was necessary.

He spoke a lot about the Rangers addressing the PK. 30th on home ice doesn't cut it. Said Johnson and Rooney were on the 7th and 8th ranked pk and will def help that area. Martin did have a lot to do with the signing of JJ.

Talked a bit about how great Gorts is doing and was asked about why the Rangers are so good third periods. He said part was the coach, part was youth. Then went on about the team "spirit" and togetherness.

Thats about all I remember off the top of my head.

you get a like for the info...and an unlike for trying to make alf happen

 

[IDvsEGO]

I thought the exact same. Dolan has deep pockets and stays out of the affairs of Gorton/JD and we live in the biggest city in the world with a rabid fan base.

I'd say while the rangers are in a huge market, they're not a primary option for the majority of the market, let alone their own ownership.
Most of the Canadian markets hockey is the draw, as well as some cities like nashville and vegas.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd say while the rangers are in a huge market, they're not a primary option for the majority of the market, let alone their own ownership.
Most of the Canadian markets hockey is the draw, as well as some cities like nashville and vegas.

All you need to know here is that aside from winning a Stanley Cup, hockey will never be on the front or back-cover of a NY newspaper. When the Rangers drafted 1st overall, NYP had Lafrenière on the backcover but only the early edition. The moment the Yankees won a random game, that pushed it out.

Hockey isn't a priority in NY

 

[pld459666]

A sanded down roll of Scotch 88 electric tape

Two garbage cans and a wall

A blocker and a first basemans mitt and thats all you need

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'd say while the rangers are in a huge market, they're not a primary option for the majority of the market, let alone their own ownership.
Most of the Canadian markets hockey is the draw, as well as some cities like nashville and vegas.

Even though it’s the 4th most popular sport in the city they still draw more fans than 90% of the league. Nashville and Vegas can’t shine our shoes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Even though it’s the 4th most popular sport in the city they still draw more fans than 90% of the league. Nashville and Vegas can’t shine our shoes.

It's easy to fill seats when you have businesses and tourists walking in every day. T-Mobile Arena and MSG are very much alike in that sense

 

[bobbop]

The Athletic projected the Rangers as the 3rd-best team in the 2023-24 season. Our U25 was rated the highest in the league at 9.3, and 2nd or 3rd in Management and Coaching.

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NHL Future Power Rankings: Projecting the 2023-24 standings

I commented on this article. The writers who did the salary cap section completely misjudged their assignment. The Rangers deserve a .01 rating for salary cap in 2020-21 but this is a projection for three years down the road. The Rangers have no real bad contracts going forward after Smith fall off this year and the buyouts on Lundqvist, Girardi and Shattenkirk drop off dramatically. Gorton has an almost clean sheet of paper to work with. If the Rangers young players develop as we hope, we'll all be eating strawberries in the wintertime.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I commented on this article. The writers who did the salary cap section completely misjudged their assignment. The Rangers deserve a .01 rating for salary cap in 2020-21 but this is a projection for three years down the road. The Rangers have no real bad contracts going forward after Smith fall off this year and the buyouts on Lundqvist, Girardi and Shattenkirk drop off dramatically. Gorton has an almost clean sheet of paper to work with. If the Rangers young players develop as we hope, we'll all be eating strawberries in the wintertime.

Except that in two years we then need to pay mika and kakko. the cap isn't quite as managed as some of the better teams.

 

[dshea19]

You don’t need a $200 stick to play pond hockey lol. You don’t need ice either, roller hockey is definitely close enough.

Um, playing lots of roller hockey will not make you good at ice hockey. Not even close. I have coached enough kids to know that the roller hockey kids require lots of work to break habits that are fine for roller hockey but absolutely detrimental in ice hockey. They are similar like a bass and a guitar are. Yes, they have strings, but they are played differently. Roller hockey is still expensive.

 

[LokiDog]

Um, playing lots of roller hockey will not make you good at ice hockey. Not even close. I have coached enough kids to know that the roller hockey kids require lots of work to break habits that are fine for roller hockey but absolutely detrimental in ice hockey. They are similar like a bass and a guitar are. Yes, they have strings, but they are played differently. Roller hockey is still expensive.

It’s true. Some of the guys from my college team used to get together on the tennis courts on campus and play roller sometimes and kids who weren’t on the team would join us and think they were reallllly good because they were great at roller hockey. Some of them came to try out for the club team, who we used as a practice squad and they were in for rude awakenings on the ice. If you just want to play hockey and have fun, roller hockey has little barrier to entry and it’s a great sport. I enjoy it and I support everyone playing it and it’s still a great way to grow hockey interest. But it is basically a different sport from ice hockey altogether. Even beer league ice hockey without contact is a different animal, but when you add the physical element of competitive hockey it really is a completely different sport.

Not sure what my point is. It’s only relevant if you have aspirations of playing competitive ice hockey one day. Like I said, if you’re just playing for fun and love of the sport, roller hockey is awesome. If you’re young and want to eventually be a good ice hockey player but haven’t gotten on the ice yet, do it as soon as possible. The longer you wait the further behind the curve you’ll be. I know that if I have kids I’ll get them on the ice as early as possible, and I’m sure I’ll get them playing roller as well because it’s great fun, exercise and can reenforce a lot of skills, but if they’re not on the ice as well, it can reenforce bad habits instead.

 

[bobbop]

Except that in two years we then need to pay mika and kakko. the cap isn't quite as managed as some of the better teams.

Depends on what they sign for.

 

[Rongomania]

A sanded down roll of Scotch 88 electric tape

Two garbage cans and a wall

A blocker and a first basemans mitt and thats all you need

That's how I learned to play. With no second hand equipment around (pops used his and was a goalie in men's late night at syosset), and the folks didn't have the cash to get me into a league, go up in pad sizes throughout the years, etc. only kids I knew on the island who played competitively were the rich kid schools. Total bummer.

 

[426ers]

It’s true. Some of the guys from my college team used to get together on the tennis courts on campus and play roller sometimes and kids who weren’t on the team would join us and think they were reallllly good because they were great at roller hockey. Some of them came to try out for the club team, who we used as a practice squad and they were in for rude awakenings on the ice. If you just want to play hockey and have fun, roller hockey has little barrier to entry and it’s a great sport. I enjoy it and I support everyone playing it and it’s still a great way to grow hockey interest. But it is basically a different sport from ice hockey altogether. Even beer league ice hockey without contact is a different animal, but when you add the physical element of competitive hockey it really is a completely different sport.

Not sure what my point is. It’s only relevant if you have aspirations of playing competitive ice hockey one day. Like I said, if you’re just playing for fun and love of the sport, roller hockey is awesome. If you’re young and want to eventually be a good ice hockey player but haven’t gotten on the ice yet, do it as soon as possible. The longer you wait the further behind the curve you’ll be. I know that if I have kids I’ll get them on the ice as early as possible, and I’m sure I’ll get them playing roller as well because it’s great fun, exercise and can reenforce a lot of skills, but if they’re not on the ice as well, it can reenforce bad habits instead.

Personally, I went from playing floor hockey all my life, to ice hockey (at age 36) played pick up. Then played league (no check). The roller hockey guys could not compete with the regular ice hockey guys. As for myself, well that is a different story altogether.

 

[True Blue]

A sanded down roll of Scotch 88 electric tape

Two garbage cans and a wall

A blocker and a first basemans mitt and thats all you need

Your rookie team was District 9?

 

[True Blue]

Speaking of Roster Building and the people who are responsible, Gorton given a pretty mediocre grade. Things that most like around here (buyouts for the short term dead cap space) are panned. Actually, no real positives that are hit on. Draft luck and free agent score is mentioned.

NHL Power Rankings: Ranking the NHL general managers

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Speaking of Roster Building and the people who are responsible, Gorton given a pretty mediocre grade. Things that most like around here (buyouts for the short term dead cap space) are panned. Actually, no real positives that are hit on. Draft luck and free agent score is mentioned.

NHL Power Rankings: Ranking the NHL general managers

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Surprised they mentioned the dead cap for this one season as the reason he is rated as middle of the pack and not striking out on the Lias pick/Smith & Trouba contracts.

 

[Edge]

Speaking of Roster Building and the people who are responsible, Gorton given a pretty mediocre grade. Things that most like around here (buyouts for the short term dead cap space) are panned. Actually, no real positives that are hit on. Draft luck and free agent score is mentioned.

NHL Power Rankings: Ranking the NHL general managers

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[Looks at top 5]

Nope, I've already seen enough thank you.

Dude lost at me Joe Sakic. If you're going to use the lucky ping pong ball line, than you have to apply it to Colorado and their inability to find any talent that isn't connected with lottery picks either via drafting or trading a guy they drafted with said lottery pick.

And that's part of the problem with writing in a vacuum. You don't have to defend your theory.

 

[Fitzy]

All you need to know here is that aside from winning a Stanley Cup, hockey will never be on the front or back-cover of a NY newspaper. When the Rangers drafted 1st overall, NYP had Lafrenière on the backcover but only the early edition. The moment the Yankees won a random game, that pushed it out.

Hockey isn't a priority in NY

Yeah but considering there are an absolute f*** ton of people living in NYC and the surrounding area it doesn't need to be a priority to have a solid fanbase.

I would like to see hockey try to expand and attract more attention from minority populations and nontraditional hockey fans.

 

[HonestGabe]

Would love to pick up a bottom 6 center on the cheap before training camp.

See if we can get a deal for Derick Brassard or Granlund at 1 year, 1.5m

Panarin Zibanejad Strome
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Lafreniere Brassard Kakko
Lemieux Howden Gauthier
Rooney

DeAngelo Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Hajek/Reunanen/Miller/Smith/Johnson

 

[True Blue]

And that's part of the problem with writing in a vacuum. You don't have to defend your theory.

Yeah, the whole thing was a bit strange. Claiming pure draft luck and UF A signing and not at all looking at other assets brought in by smart trades and drafting is odd. As was not looking at the timeline of the team and how long the the dead cap space affects them is also odd.

 

[Profet]

[Looks at top 5]

Nope, I've already seen enough thank you.

Dude lost at me Joe Sakic. If you're going to use the lucky ping pong ball line, than you hace to apply it to Colorado and their inability to find any talent that isn't connected with lottery picks either via drafting or trading a guy they drafted.

And that's part of the problem with writing in a vacuum. You don't have to defend your theory.

::cough:: Graves ::cough::

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

[Looks at top 5]

Nope, I've already seen enough thank you.

Dude lost at me Joe Sakic. If you're going to use the lucky ping pong ball line, than you hace to apply it to Colorado and their inability to find any talent that isn't connected with lottery picks either via drafting or trading a guy they drafted.

And that's part of the problem with writing in a vacuum. You don't have to defend your theory.

Their inability to draft contributors outside the top-10 should definitely be mentioned here. Last one to play at least 100 NHL games for them was Tyson Barrie in 2009

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yeah, the whole thing was a bit strange. Claiming pure draft luck and UF A signing and not at all looking at other assets brought in by smart trades and drafting is odd. As was not looking at the timeline of the team and how long the the dead cap space affects them is also odd.

Exactly. And what exactly has Lou done to be 6th besides hire Trotz? In a normal non covid year that team misses the playoffs, they sign Pageau( a decent player) to a 5 year 5 mil contract and give up a 1st and 2nd in a very deep draft and they are still in cap hell. Somebody please explain this.

 

[Avery16]

where are we getting the next Malik