Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

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The thing about not just the NHL, but ice hockey in general, is it’s an expensive sport to get into and entirely impractical on a casual level for the vast majority of the country. Hockey’s popularity in Canada is mainly cultural, but the fact you can have a backyard rink to practice in and it’s easy for a kid to get involved in playing the sport at a young age.

Look at the popular sports these days. Soccer is the most popular sport in the world because it’s cheap to get into. All you need is a ball. You don’t even need any clothes. You can have a makeshift goal. You can play barefoot or even buck naked if you can’t afford clothes. While you might not have a full pitch or a goal, you can still practice skills with a small piece of land and a wall as a goal. That’s why it’s so incredibly easy to get into soccer and why it’s so popular.

Basketball is growing in popularity hecause all you need is a ball and a hoop. Hoops you can buy for your driveway and many public parks have baksetball courts to use to play, which has allowed it to grow in popularity all around the world. Not to mention how they’re in basically every high school gym. Even if you aren’t good enough to go pro, being a casual player isn’t difficult and it leads to being a fan of the pro game.

Football is popular because of the cultural aspect. And it’s basically in every high school, at least in the south. Many players are from the south and the best college football teams are in the south. While it requires a lot of equipment and is expensive, high schools are heavily invested in it, which allows young kids to get involved. But look at ice hockey. It’s entirely impractical casually for those outside New England and upstate NY and northern midwest states like Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Hell, JJ Watt played hockey when he was younger, but he changed into football because of how expensive hockey is and how many more opportunities he had with football.

Ice hockey can never be super popular in America outside northern states. They can do a better job marketing the sport, but they can only go so far. I feel like instead of pushing the league south, they should’ve been saturating the north more. Have a team in Milwaukee and Green Bay, have a team in Rochester, NY, have another team in Michigan, bring back hockey to Hartford. Imagine a kid growing up in Wisconsin seeing his home town team succeed and decides he wants to be a hockey player. He can have a backyard rink. There will be ice skating rinks and youth teams. That’s how you bring organic popularity and love for the sport. If a dad teaches his young son to love ice hockey, how can he get the child to participate and actually play? Compared to baseball with little league, basketball with high school leagues, and football with major programs, it’s extremely difficult. Outside the northern states, you aren’t going to find high school hockey and major youth leagues. That’s why the league relies so much on Canada, and they can’t compare with the US in creating profitable entertainment.
 
The thing about not just the NHL, but ice hockey in general, is it’s an expensive sport to get into and entirely impractical on a casual level for the vast majority of the country. Hockey’s popularity in Canada is mainly cultural, but the fact you can have a backyard rink to practice in and it’s easy for a kid to get involved in playing the sport at a young age.

Look at the popular sports these days. Soccer is the most popular sport in the world because it’s cheap to get into. All you need is a ball. You don’t even need any clothes. You can have a makeshift goal. You can play barefoot or even buck naked if you can’t afford clothes. While you might not have a full pitch or a goal, you can still practice skills with a small piece of land and a wall as a goal. That’s why it’s so incredibly easy to get into soccer and why it’s so popular.

Basketball is growing in popularity hecause all you need is a ball and a hoop. Hoops you can buy for your driveway and many public parks have baksetball courts to use to play, which has allowed it to grow in popularity all around the world. Not to mention how they’re in basically every high school gym. Even if you aren’t good enough to go pro, being a casual player isn’t difficult and it leads to being a fan of the pro game.

Football is popular because of the cultural aspect. And it’s basically in every high school, at least in the south. Many players are from the south and the best college football teams are in the south. While it requires a lot of equipment and is expensive, high schools are heavily invested in it, which allows young kids to get involved. But look at ice hockey. It’s entirely impractical casually for those outside New England and upstate NY and northern midwest states like Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Hell, JJ Watt played hockey when he was younger, but he changed into football because of how expensive hockey is and how many more opportunities he had with football.

Ice hockey can never be super popular in America outside northern states. They can do a better job marketing the sport, but they can only go so far. I feel like instead of pushing the league south, they should’ve been saturating the north more. Have a team in Milwaukee and Green Bay, have a team in Rochester, NY, have another team in Michigan, bring back hockey to Hartford. Imagine a kid growing up in Wisconsin seeing his home town team succeed and decides he wants to be a hockey player. He can have a backyard rink. There will be ice skating rinks and youth teams. That’s how you bring organic popularity and love for the sport. If a dad teaches his young son to love ice hockey, how can he get the child to participate and actually play? Compared to baseball with little league, basketball with high school leagues, and football with major programs, it’s extremely difficult. Outside the northern states, you aren’t going to find high school hockey and major youth leagues. That’s why the league relies so much on Canada, and they can’t compare with the US in creating profitable entertainment.

And to add to this, if you want to play hockey you have to learn how to skate first. Aside from the equipment you need, there's another barrier there to overcome.

For basketball, baseball, football, soccer and basically every other sport, the equivalent is the ability to walk. And everyone (with the exception of disabled kids) can walk already. You can't play hockey without mastering the seemingly basic (but actually quite difficult) skill of skating.
 
That's been their strategy for years....still has not converted the "casual" fan. A lot of cities have problems even if they make the playoffs.

I believe most of the consistant playoff teams don't have issues unless I'm forgetting someone. Its usually the Arizona's, Atlanta's, etc that have issues. I look at Nashville as a good example of a team that really came alive with some playoff time. Its not a guarantee but it doesn't hurt. Nobody wants to watch a team that has no chance of playoffs.
 
I believe most of the consistant playoff teams don't have issues unless I'm forgetting someone. Its usually the Arizona's, Atlanta's, etc that have issues. I look at Nashville as a good example of a team that really came alive with some playoff time. Its not a guarantee but it doesn't hurt. Nobody wants to watch a team that has no chance of playoffs.

It also takes a lot longer in hockey to go from worst to first, so to speak. In the NBA you see stars move to other teams every year and it can turn a team around in one off-season. In the NFL the worst-to-first thing is quite common as well due to the structure of the league. In the NHL, it just takes longer. Best case scenario it takes a team 4-5 years. Hockey draftees are also 18 years old and not ready to contribute immediately (bar some outliers like top-3 picks). In the other sports, it's all college players who turn pro at age 20+ and it's a lot easier to rebuild quickly through the draft.

Hockey takes a lot of patience from a fan(base)
 
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It also takes a lot longer in hockey to go from worst to first, so to speak. In the NBA you see stars move to other teams every year and it can turn a team around in one off-season. In the NFL the worst-to-first thing is quite common as well due to the structure of the league. In the NHL, it just takes longer. Best case scenario it takes a team 4-5 years. Hockey draftees are also 18 years old and not ready to contribute immediately (bar some outliers like top-3 picks). In the other sports, it's all college players who turn pro at age 20+ and it's a lot easier to rebuild quickly through the draft.

Hockey takes a lot of patience from a fan(base)

Yes it does, but nothing creates a buzz or a buzz kill like being out of the playoffs in February. It can't hurt to have the season seemingly mean something til the end for most teams.
 
Apparently it took a Canadian captain to win the latest Cup.

I remember NBC mentioning in 2012 that they would have an American captain win the Cup for the first time ever, with Dustin Brown and Zach Parise in the final. I was shocked that there had never been a US-captain to win the Cup up to that point
 
I remember NBC mentioning in 2012 that they would have an American captain win the Cup for the first time ever, with Dustin Brown and Zach Parise in the final. I was shocked that there had never been a US-captain to win the Cup up to that point
Derian Hatcher, 99 was first I believe.
 
IMO one of the issues that's easy to fix is to have 1 platform available for fans around the world where they can watch more than just old games.

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NFL has Gamepass, which offers 20+ different documentaries. From "A Football Life" to "America's Game", there's so much to watch about the history of the league, former greats of the game. When I first started watching football, I consumed all that like crazy. I knew who Joe Montana was, and Mike Singletary, Vince Lombardi, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders and so many more, all from watching. As a new fan, that really got me into the game.

NHL has something called NHL.TV, but all it has is old games. Re-watching old games alone isn't going to draw in new crowds. The game needs to be accessible to a larger audience if you are going to grow your game. I have thought about this several times and it's so easy to come up with concepts. Even individual teams are doing it. The Sabres had an episode about Mogilny defecting from the USSR a few years ago for instance. MSg had the MSG Beginnings episodes a few years ago. The possiblities are endless and it's not as if it hasn't been done before, it just needs to be streamlined and centralaized

Some examples they could go with:
  • A hockey life: Episodes on the life of players. Start with Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux etc
  • In the rafters: Episodes about players who had their number retired
  • Defunct: Episodes on defunct NHL teams
  • Escape: Episodes on players who defected from RUS, CZE etc
  • A day with the Cup: Follow the players as they have their day with the Stanley Cup For club and country: Episodes about the Olympics, WJC, WC, WCH
  • Draft day: No explanation needed
  • Rulebook: Focus on rules that changed over the years. Trapezoid etc
  • NHL Rivalries: Bruins vs Canadiens, Rangers vs Devils, Flames vs Jets. Dive into what fuels these rivalries
  • Inside the arena: 32 arenas in the NHL. Go into the locker rooms, press box
  • Coach's challenge: Episodes around coaches and their path to the NHL
  • A numbers game: Ask players the story behind their jersey number
  • For the record: Each episode can focus on a record that has been in the books for decades
  • In the system: Focus on minor league affiliates

I doubt they will do this any time soon. It takes a while to get this type of content up and running but honestly, the NHL isn't even trying.
They need to pay you for doing all of this work for them.
 
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They need to pay you for doing all of this work for them.

It really isn't that hard. Just take 20 minutes to think of some things and you end up with a list like this.

The NHL is just lazy. They don't care about expanding their fanbase. They don't care about selling their product. They are happy settling for the bare minimum
 
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Some reporter asked Kravstov about playing for the Penguins? The link got back to me via text. My friends who are on the subconscious "Kravstov is horrible because he didn't dominate the NHL at 20 and I feel he just doesn't have it" crowd are salivating.

True story.
 
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Some reporter asked Kravstov about playing for the Penguins? The link got back to me via text. My friends who are on the subconscious "Kravstov is horrible because he didn't dominate the NHL at 20 and I feel he just doesn't have it" crowd are salivating.

True story.

well whatever the penguin rumors are he is not ready for top 9 action on this team at the very least until 2021-2022. I hope Gauthier can put his speed and size to good use for the third line RW.
 
I was thinking he needs a bigger one. And he should be sprinting on the beach. ;)
Nah. It took a little longer to get that parachute off to the ground than normal. He isn’t a burner by any means that’s why he needs a smaller one lol.

If it we’re me I’d put a chest plate on him and tell him to run uphill.


Also running on the beach is hella overrated. :laugh:
 
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