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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

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bobbop said:
Some thinking out loud...

I think the Rangers clearly want to make a talent for talent trade that brings back a potential second line center. Most likely that’s a young talent for young talent trade. Think Drouin for Sergachev.

I’m starting to think that Lundkvist may be the bait that brings that player to New York.
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There is a salary cap.
 
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Edge said:
I'm not sure what grand slam there is for Tampa.

They traded Miller a year after getting him (and after demoting him to the 4th line). McD has settled into a second pair defenseman that they are going to be paying for a while. He's one of the guys who probably benefitted the most from having a break in the season because he was again hurt heading into the playoffs.

And for that, Tampa also shelled out 8 figures worth of salary, in addition to the assets. And the only Ranger they have to show for it, was the above mentioned McD and the boost he got from a break.

Even if things don't work out, which is a distinct possibility that's always existed, this isn't Middleton/Park. We need to take it down a notch or three here.
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LOL...it was a bad trade IMO and that likely won't change anytime soon unless one of those guys we got in return becomes a guy that plays 20 minutes a night . Say what you want . TB and McDonagh have a Cup ring now...we got scraps . Front line Dmen should fetch more than that .... EDIT...I respect your opinion Edge...I just don't agree with it . Time will tell at some stage but right now....they have a Cup to show for it and likely one more next year and I doubt they will mind paying McD's salary with two Cups to show for the deal....
 
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bobbop said:
Some thinking out loud...

I think the Rangers clearly want to make a talent for talent trade that brings back a potential second line center. Most likely that’s a young talent for young talent trade. Think Drouin for Sergachev.

I’m starting to think that Lundkvist may be the bait that brings that player to New York.
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I have a feeling you may be right, especially regarding Lundkvist.
 
Kovalev27 said:
I have zero clue how you play hockey with your dominant hand on the bottom. I can’t even comprehend it

I’m a lefty

I shoot right. I throw with my left hand catch with my right (full right)

I would be lost otherwise.
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I'm right handed and shoot right handed. It's mostly because of my childhood playing field hockey
 
bobbop said:
Some thinking out loud...

I think the Rangers clearly want to make a talent for talent trade that brings back a potential second line center. Most likely that’s a young talent for young talent trade. Think Drouin for Sergachev.

I’m starting to think that Lundkvist may be the bait that brings that player to New York.
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You spelled Deangelo wrong
 
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RGY said:
He didn’t say it was happening tomorrow. Cap space will open up after this year. Things can change very quickly depending what happens with the team in just the course of a year.
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Which we need to sign Shestyorkin and Lindgren. Assuming Buchnevich is traded, we may clear some more, but in 2022, Fox and Kakko come off their ELCs.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Which we need to sign Shestyorkin and Lindgren. Assuming Buchnevich is traded, we may clear some more, but in 2022, Fox and Kakko come off their ELCs.
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And this is assuming everything breaks right for every player in their respective progressions and they all require significant increases. Again lets see how the year plays out. And lets also consider that if many take significant strides, it either 1) makes some more attractive to be a part of a package for a piece we feel is missing or 2) makes someone else expendable like Buchnevich.

But to shut someone down in a Roster Building thread and just say hey salary cap! is kind of defeating the purpose of discussion. Things can change fast. Many, many, many people here said absolutely no way Panarin would be signed. Many said he wouldnt even get an offer or a meeting. Just goes to show you cannot sit here and speak in absolutes towards one another.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Using that cap space on a free agent for 1 year would be perfect. Anything longer, and it impacts Kakko and Fox' next contracts
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Right, but let’s say you moved Strome and/or DeAngelo and found a 2C for 6M. Strome is on the books for 4.5M next year. With 13M coming off, plus Strome’s money, if we spent/acquired a 6M or so center I don’t know that it’s a really huge impact. We really have no idea how these next few years will shake out. If Tony is moved for a center (let’s use Lindholm as a simple hypothetical example) it’s essentially a salary wash. If Strome + a pick/prospect, etc is moved for a LHD (let’s use Hanifin as a hypothetical example) it’s once again essentially a wash.

There’s going to be more roster turnover than most people project. Everyone loves penciling Chytil at 2C, Barron becomes 3C, Howden at 4C, Lemmy stays 4W, Gauthier 4W, Kreider and Buch shift to 3Ws, Panarin and Kravstov end up 2Ws, Laf, Zib and Kakko are our 1st line. Miller, Trouba, Robertson, Fox, Jones, Lundqvist is our future D.

It never turns out that way. I’m guessing close to 50% of Buch, Krav, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux, Gauthier, DeAngelo, Robertson, Lundkvist, etc. won’t be part of the Rangers organization by Jan 1 2022.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
Right, but let’s say you moved Strome and/or DeAngelo and found a 2C for 6M. Strome is on the books for 4.5M next year. With 13M coming off, plus Strome’s money, if we spent/acquired a 6M or so center I don’t know that it’s a really huge impact. We really have no idea how these next few years will shake out. If Tony is moved for a center (let’s use Lindholm as a simple hypothetical example) it’s essentially a salary wash. If Strome + a pick/prospect, etc is moved for a LHD (let’s use Hanifin as a hypothetical example) it’s once again essentially a wash.

There’s going to be more roster turnover than most people project. Everyone loves penciling Chytil at 2C, Barron becomes 3C, Howden at 4C, Lemmy stays 4W, Gauthier 4W, Kreider and Buch shift to 3Ws, Panarin and Kravstov end up 2Ws, Laf, Zib and Kakko are our 1st line. Miller, Trouba, Robertson, Fox, Jones, Lundqvist is our future D.

It never turns out that way. I’m guessing close to 50% of Buch, Krav, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux, Gauthier, DeAngelo, Robertson, Lundkvist, etc. won’t be part of the Rangers organization by Jan 1 2022.
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Yes, and in that case you are redistributing the existing cap hits rather than using the cap space that was previously mentioned.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Yes, and in that case you are redistributing the existing cap hits rather than using the cap space that was previously mentioned.
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I get that, for sure. Just saying, we’re at a point here in roster formation where it’s virtually impossible to say where things will go, so anything is possible. In my example we’re trading cap for cap, but you never know... it could be cap for futures/ELC talent and the saved money could go to free agents. Either way, yes, you’re completely right, but there’s virtually no point in limiting any discussion of what could happen when it’s so open ended, so I was just chiming in with my unsolicited nonsense.
 
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leetch99 said:
LOL...it was a bad trade IMO and that likely won't change anytime soon unless one of those guys we got in return becomes a guy that plays 20 minutes a night . Say what you want . TB and McDonagh have a Cup ring now...we got scraps . Front line Dmen should fetch more than that .... EDIT...I respect your opinion Edge...I just don't agree with it . Time will tell at some stage but right now....they have a Cup to show for it and likely one more next year and I doubt they will mind paying McD's salary with two Cups to show for the deal....
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1) Won't be a bad trade if Lundvkist becomes a perennial all-star d-man

2) McD isn't the reason they won a cup this past season. They were gonna win it with or without him.
 
Levitate said:
This is getting on the silly end of things. We're talking about trading for a 2C not Jack Eichel.
If the Rangers can't afford a 2C then they're probably screwed
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In the next 3 offseasons we have 4 elite prospects coming off their ELC. Aaron Ekblad got 7.5m on his first SPC. Just for reference.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
In the next 3 offseasons we have 4 elite prospects coming off their ELC. Aaron Ekblad got 7.5m on his first SPC. Just for reference.
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Just because Florida took a gamble giving the term and dollars up front with the hope that the contract would look better for them down the road, doesn’t mean every team and/or prospect will be handled that way.

If Chytil, Igor, Lindgren are all getting long term deals then I dont* think management is approaching them the right way. Lindgren isn’t getting that. Chytil, unless he absolutely has a monster year, is not getting that. Yeah, its likely they try to lock Igor up longterm, but that is worth it.

Can’t look at everything in a vacuum. Buchnevich, Strome, and/or DeAngelo could be moved after this season. Especially if it came down to improving the 2C position.
 
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SA16 said:
One way to not have salary cap trouble in the future is not sign the goalie to a huge long term deal.
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Agree. No goalie is worth more than $5m a year. The difference between top goalies and avg goalies is much less than it used to be. Money is better spent on skaters
 
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