Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXX

[Savant]

Has Exp draft date been set? Who do we protect with that last F spot out of Lemmy, Howton, Gauthier?

The one that earns a spot. Have a feeling that player for that spot might not be on the yet though.

 

[bl02]

I'm not sure what grand slam there is for Tampa.

They traded Miller a year after getting him (and after demoting him to the 4th line). McD has settled into a second pair defenseman that they are going to be paying for a while. He's one of the guys who probably benefitted the most from having a break in the season because he was again hurt heading into the playoffs.

And for that, Tampa also shelled out 8 figures worth of salary, in addition to the assets. And the only Ranger they have to show for it, was the above mentioned McD and the boost he got from a break.

Even if things don't work out, which is a distinct possibility that's always existed, this isn't Middleton/Park. We need to take it down a notch or three here.

In fairness without the first rounder they got for Miller I don't see how they get Coleman who IMO was a factor in helping TB get thru some physical teams in the Jackets and Islanders.

 

[Edge]

In fairness without the first rounder they got for Miller I don't see how they get Coleman who IMO was a factor in helping TB get thru some physical teams in the Jackets and Islanders.

I appreciate that, and it's a valid point. But at the same time, if we're going to start factoring in trade trees or follow-up actions, wouldn't we have to include the $10 million for McD and Miller going toward Panarin, or any deal that involves Lundkvist or that is made possible if Lundkvist makes some expendable?

 

[LokiDog]

Jeez, and just like that you solved my "mystery"!

Handedness in hockey has always been a different sort of situation. The world is like 90% right handed but about 60% of hockey players shoot left. In Europe and Canada a prevailing thought is that you have more control over the fine movements when your dominant hand is on top and so they teach kids early to play with the dominant hand up top. They also play with shorter sticks typically (further compounding the enhanced control that your dominant hand on top has). In America we tend to just say my kid is right handed so he needs a righty stick (because we’re not a very hockey-smart culture) and so a lot of kids just end up playing with their dominant hand down low. Of course, there are plenty of people who pick it up one way or the other because it just feels natural, or switch because what they were given wasn’t comfortable (I started with a lefty stick but I didn’t like it) and the dominant hand on the bottom tends to be associated with heavier shooters and more torque. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Stamkos, Semin, Laine all shoot right and are known for very heavy (wrist) shots. Kane, Datsyuk, Pettersson all shoot left and are known for elite dangles. They can rifle the puck for sure, but it’s a different kind of shot. All three could snipe but they’re not known as heavy shooters in the way the first group is (conversely, the first group could all dangle but isn’t known for their hands above all else the way the second group is).

I don’t know that this applies for other athletic movements like swinging a bat. According to the second article it doesn’t. But hockey, as the article says, is different.


Importance of handedness in hockey


Righty or Lefty: What you don’t know about shooting a puck in the NHL

 

[bl02]

I appreciate that, and it's a valid point. But at the same time, if we're going to start factoring in trade trees or follow-up actions, wouldn't we have to include the $10 million for McD and Miller going toward Panarin, or any deal that involves Lundkvist or that is made possible if Lundkvist makes some expendable?

Totally fair and I am ok with the trade especially with what it looks like we have in Nils. I would not have extended McD anyway considering our rebuild/contending timeline and he seemed to be breaking down a bit.
At the time I was hoping we would get a bit more for McD/Miller combo but would have to say it's probably a trade both teams did well with.

 

[Edge]

Totally fair and I am ok with the trade especially with what it looks like we have in Nils. I would not have extended McD anyway considering our rebuild/contending timeline and he seemed to be breaking down a bit.
At the time I was hoping we would get a bit more for McD/Miller combo but would have to say it's probably a trade both teams did well with.

I tend to view trades through two prisms: Value at the time, and long-term value.

Value at the time tends to focus more on fair market price and whether I feel that was met, exceeded, missed, etc. It doesn't necessarily evaluate whether the trade was a success, but whether it reasonable.

Long-term value tends to focus on the results meeting, exceeded or under-performing compared to expectations. This can also vary based on the perceived value of the trade.

To the former, I think the Rangers got fair value for what they gave up.

To the latter, the jury is still out for me. I think Miller gave value to Tampa as an asset, more than a player. McD has his ring, but he has it with some interesting context attached to it.

Howden is not likely to hit the more optimisitc hopes for his talent, and is at a bit of a crossroads as to what type of player he is going to become. Hajek, to me, has a lot of work to do become an NHL player. Lundkvist could be the long-term gem of this trade, but we'll have to see how his potential translates. Henriksson is intriguing, if a little bit of a mystery box for me.

Namestnikov did not have the impact the Rangers hoped for. But, can that be salvaged if the Rangers use his return to find a valuable asset in the 2021 draft?

About 30 months later, I don't know if either team quite got what they hoped for out of the deal --- and yet both teams are arguably better off for making the deal.

 

[SA16]

In fairness without the first rounder they got for Miller I don't see how they get Coleman who IMO was a factor in helping TB get thru some physical teams in the Jackets and Islanders.

They would also have Brett Howden who probably would have helped them lose games.

 

[NYblades]

Has Exp draft date been set? Who do we protect with that last F spot out of Lemmy, Howton, Gauthier?

Gauthier

 

[Kocur Dill]

I just give his family a ton of credit for naming him Hunter Skinner.

Peter Skinner would have been more intimidating.

 

[Fitzy]

Peter Skinner would have been more intimidating.

Richard Skinner

 

[LannyMcdonald]

Richard Skinner

Lynyrd Skynyrd

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Mr. Skinner

 

[Kovalev27]

I have zero clue how you play hockey with your dominant hand on the bottom. I can’t even comprehend it

I’m a lefty

I shoot right. I throw with my left hand catch with my right (full right)

I would be lost otherwise.

 

[Fitzy]

I have zero clue how you play hockey with your dominant hand on the bottom. I can’t even comprehend it

I’m a lefty

I shoot right. I throw with my left hand catch with my right (full right)

I would be lost otherwise.

Some Americans I've talked to blame it on baseball/golf in youth.

Right hand is further down the shaft of either of those implements.

 

[aufheben]

I have zero clue how you play hockey with your dominant hand on the bottom. I can’t even comprehend it

I’m a lefty

I shoot right. I throw with my left hand catch with my right (full right)

I would be lost otherwise.

Bruh it’s like golf

 

[Kovalev27]

Bruh it’s like golf

I don’t turn around to swing a gold club either

 

[EdJovanovski]

Handedness in hockey has always been a different sort of situation. The world is like 90% right handed but about 60% of hockey players shoot left. In Europe and Canada a prevailing thought is that you have more control over the fine movements when your dominant hand is on top and so they teach kids early to play with the dominant hand up top. They also play with shorter sticks typically (further compounding the enhanced control that your dominant hand on top has). In America we tend to just say my kid is right handed so he needs a righty stick (because we’re not a very hockey-smart culture) and so a lot of kids just end up playing with their dominant hand down low. Of course, there are plenty of people who pick it up one way or the other because it just feels natural, or switch because what they were given wasn’t comfortable (I started with a lefty stick but I didn’t like it) and the dominant hand on the bottom tends to be associated with heavier shooters and more torque. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Stamkos, Semin, Laine all shoot right and are known for very heavy (wrist) shots. Kane, Datsyuk, Pettersson all shoot left and are known for elite dangles. They can rifle the puck for sure, but it’s a different kind of shot. All three could snipe but they’re not known as heavy shooters in the way the first group is (conversely, the first group could all dangle but isn’t known for their hands above all else the way the second group is).

I don’t know that this applies for other athletic movements like swinging a bat. According to the second article it doesn’t. But hockey, as the article says, is different.


Importance of handedness in hockey


Righty or Lefty: What you don’t know about shooting a puck in the NHL

It’s weird, here in BC most players are right-handed despite the rest of Canada being left. My two primary influences were dad & uncle, they both shoot right though my dad is left-hand dominant and my uncle is right-hand dominant. They got me my first stick when I was 2 or 3 and it was right handed, I would naturally hold it the wrong way and shoot left. I’m right hand dominant so I’m glad I had a natural resistance to them pushing me to shoot right. It seems the higher level you go the more left handed shots you see, in PE class I’d be one of the only leftys in the class, then playing street hockey with friends there would be a few more leftys but mostly right handed still, then in leagues it was closer to 50/50 but still mostly right.

I started going to a golf academy when I was like 8 though and I assumed that because I play hockey left I should golf left, so I’ve golfed lefty my whole life even though the majority of lefty hockey players actually golf right. Hockey/golfing/batting right handed just feels so unnatural to me, even when using a broom, raking leaves, shoveling snow I hold it like a left handed hockey stick

 

[aufheben]

I don’t turn around to swing a gold club either

Ok it’s like baseball, or tennis, or writing, or literally anything. Who does anything primarily with their left hand?

 

[aufheben]

It’s weird, here in BC most players are right-handed despite the rest of Canada being left. My two primary influences were dad & uncle, they both shoot right though my dad is left-hand dominant and my uncle is right-hand dominant. They got me my first stick when I was 2 or 3 and it was right handed, I would naturally hold it the wrong way and shoot left. I’m right hand dominant so I’m glad I had a natural resistance to them pushing me to shoot right. It seems the higher level you go the more left handed shots you see, in PE class I’d be one of the only leftys in the class, then playing street hockey with friends there would be a few more leftys but mostly right handed still, then in leagues it was closer to 50/50 but still mostly right.

I started going to a golf academy when I was like 8 though and I assumed that because I play hockey left I should golf left, so I’ve golfed lefty my whole life even though the majority of lefty hockey players actually golf right. Hockey/golfing/batting right handed just feels so unnatural to me, even when using a broom, raking leaves, shoveling snow I hold it like a left handed hockey stick

Thats cause BC is basically the United States.

 

[Edge]

I have zero clue how you play hockey with your dominant hand on the bottom. I can’t even comprehend it

I’m a lefty

I shoot right. I throw with my left hand catch with my right (full right)

I would be lost otherwise.

It's funny because I feel the same way about having my dominant hand on top.

I write with my right hand, and play hockey, baseball and golf right handed.

But I use my left for fishing and grabbing most items.

 

[aufheben]

The only thing I can do reasonably well lefty is player soccer because you literally need to use both feet. There’s no backhand lol

 

[aufheben]

Wait what thread is this?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Some Americans I've talked to blame it on baseball/golf in youth.

Right hand is further down the shaft of either of those implements.

As long as one hand is toward the bottom of the shaft and one near the top, I’m happy

 

[bobbop]

Some thinking out loud...

I think the Rangers clearly want to make a talent for talent trade that brings back a potential second line center. Most likely that’s a young talent for young talent trade. Think Drouin for Sergachev.

I’m starting to think that Lundkvist may be the bait that brings that player to New York.

 

[Avery16]

No news here, but not a bad explainer:

Examining the decisions the NY Rangers will have to make for the Seattle expansion draft