Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[Thirty One]

Don't quote me on this, because my understanding of the arbitration process isn't great, but doesn't the number have to be higher for the Rangers to walk away?

I think it's like 4.5 something. In that range anyways, but yeah, I don't think they could walk away from $4.5 exactly.

 

[Off Sides]

Don't quote me on this, because my understanding of the arbitration process isn't great, but doesn't the number have to be higher for the Rangers to walk away?

4,538,958

 

[Shesterkybomb]

i doubt they move Buch until they at least know if somebody like Kreider can play RW.

Kreider has played enough right wing that they know he can, also, he best get used to it because if not he's gonna be looking at 3rd line duties with Lafreniere and Panarin on the left side. I think the fact that someone is gonna have to change sides is the biggest reason for not signing Fast imo.

 

[kovazub94]

A lot of moving parts but some calls can still be made even if there’s inherent risk of uncertainty. The biggest ones at forward are:

1. Chytil continues to progress and take 2C role

2. Kreider can play RW

3. ALL THREE of Chytil, Lafreniere and Kakko are ready for top-6 from the get go.

These options could be looked cumulatively (and as a result - smaller risk that there will be exposure) because it would allow for flexibility in moving either Strome or Buch. I don’t see them moving both but especially if Buch is moved then we could see Kreider taking his place or Strome moving to wing and Chytil and Laf in top-6 (Kakko’s spot is his to lose).

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A lot of moving parts but some calls can still be made even if there’s inherent risk of uncertainty. The biggest ones at forward are:

1. Chytil continues to progress and take 2C role

2. Kreider can play RW

3. ALL THREE of Chytil, Lafreniere and Kakko are ready for top-6 from the get go.

These options could be looked cumulatively (and as a result - smaller risk that there will be exposure) because it would allow for flexibility in moving either Strome or Buch. I don’t see them moving both but especially if Buch is moved then we could see Kreider taking his place or Strome moving to wing and Chytil and Laf in top-6 (Kakko’s spot is his to lose).

At some point Laf enters the top six so its either Buch or Kreider on the 3rd line. Also im not so sure about Chytil being a better option than Strome in the top 6 yet atleast, for me he needs to learn to use his wingers more, he does most things well but seeing the ice around him isnt one of them and thats fine but players like Panarin get frustrated by those types of centers.

 

[bl02]

If they cut ties with Strome, they will need to bring in another vet C. That's for sure. I think they might be flexible over a few hundred k. But I also think that there may be some future opportunities to upgrade the roster the longer the pandemic goes. And this is NOT the roster you want to be up against the cap with. We need some flexibility. Either to upgrade or to further alleviate pressure being put on kids that might need to be shuttled back and forth to the A. And i think being 1.2m from the cap versus 600/700k from the cap is fairly significant as you go deeper into the season and that space slowly becomes more space. If there's a big upgrade suddenly in 4 months but we need 2.5m or 3m in cap space, having that extra 500k at the start of the season makes these things more feasible.

For sure in these times and having such a young roster the extra 500 k could come in handy with different roster moves that could occur. Just so hard to predict. Especially with the trade market and obtaining that other vet Center. Certainly the UFA centers out there will not produce the numbers Strome and Panarin produced but I guess if you save money and use it elsewhere to improve the roster things could even out?
Even if Strome got 4.5 and Lemieux got 1.8 doesn't that leave us with around 2.5-3 million under the cap?

 

[kovazub94]

At some point Laf enters the top six so its either Buch or Kreider on the 3rd line.

Yeah, very likely (even probable) but at this point each of these is a judgment call until proven. Who’s to say he won’t struggle as Kakko did.

 

[Savant]

I'm with you on Lafreniere and Chytil Being a mistake but I don't want Panarin and Zibby on the same line. Panarin needs to carry Strome for the most part. Maybe having Lafreniere on the first line right from the start is a little to idealistic but I could see a good fit with Buch on the other wing.
Put Kreider with Chytil.

I don’t think Strome is a long term solution. I don’t even know if it’s a given he is here; But if he goes, there needs to be a plan to replace him. I don’t know if that’s Monahan or Granlund or etc but whomever that is but that is wear I am sticking Lafreniere. I’m not accommodating Strome if he is a dead man walking, and I am not forcing Lafreniere on Line 1

 

[Savant]

At some point Laf enters the top six so its either Buch or Kreider on the 3rd line. Also im not so sure about Chytil being a better option than Strome in the top 6 yet atleast, for me he needs to learn to use his wingers more, he does most things well but seeing the ice around him isnt one of them and thats fine but players like Panarin get frustrated by those types of centers.

Yeah. They can cross that bridge when they come to it.

 

[RGY]

If I am the Rangers I come in @ $4 million and not a dollar more. I’d almost want to be at $3.85 on the premise that he tied his hitch to Panarin and his underlying metrics are awful without him. But I wonder if the Arbitrator would find that to be too low ball of a number and sympathize with Strome in the decision.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I suspect the rangers are waiting on Strome to decide about Calgary. If they get to a number high enough for Strome, they may as well cut bait and trade for Monahan. If the cost is Deangelo, maybe they are done. If the cost is Buchnevich, maybe the keep an eye on Virtanen or Granlund.

I do wonder if Ottawa is still interested in Strome. He is versatile enough to move around the lineup and he can be flipped at the deadline like Namestnikov.

There's a feeling I can't shake that New York really wants Strome on a multiyear deal and that's why they are drawing out every step of the process. And I don't know if it's to keep him here or if the acquiring team is keen on that type of contract.

 

[bl02]

I don’t think Strome is a long term solution. I don’t even know if it’s a given he is here; But if he goes, there needs to be a plan to replace him. I don’t know if that’s Monahan or Granlund or etc but whomever that is but that is wear I am sticking Lafreniere. I’m not accommodating Strome if he is a dead man walking, and I am not forcing Lafreniere on Line 1

Not sure if playing him with a very raw young center in Chytil is much better but I guess we will see in camp how all the younger players click. Just would like to see a vet like a Maroon type on a line with Chytil but for now that ship has sailed. will most likely be another young guy in Gauthier.

 

[kovazub94]

I asked before but didn’t get a response - does anyone currently signed could play a role of pugilist or at least a middleweight?

 

[Levitate]

Depends on what the lineup looks like...if Strome or someone else is still around for that 2C spot then Chytil's 3rd line will get sheltered minutes and that may not be bad to develop with. Chytil is also still young but has been around for years now, he's not a rookie anymore, he knows how to handle things out there.

 

[Savant]

Not sure if playing him with a very raw young center in Chytil is much better but I guess we will see in camp how all the younger players click. Just would like to see a vet like a Maroon type on a line with Chytil but for now that ship has sailed. will most likely be another young guy in Gauthier.

Chytil doesn’t even know what Chytil is yet. Chytil needs to figure out his own game.

 

[Edge]

I asked before but didn’t get a response - does anyone currently signed could play a role of pugilist or at least a middleweight?

Lemieux.

I'd say Kreider could probably do that a bit more, but I feel like it's been somewhat phased out of his game.

I've always been somewhat surprised that Lindgren doesn't end up in more scraps than he does.

Smith has elements of that in his game.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chytil was one of the best forwards on this team at generating high danger scoring chances.

Now this doesn't mean that he and Laf would be a remarkable fit, but nixing the combo off the bat would be kind of dumb unless you're playing Laf with Zibanejad and reuniting KCB

 

[TominNC]

I'd just put Kreider on the 3rd now for leadership.

Laf-Mika-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier/Kravtsov

Spreads out your youth/vets and I'd like to see teams deal with the size and speed of that third line with their third pair D.

 

[bl02]

Chytil was one of the best forwards on this team at generating high danger scoring chances.

Now this doesn't mean that he and Laf would be a remarkable fit, but nixing the combo off the bat would be kind of dumb unless you're playing Laf with Zibanejad and reuniting KCB

Definitely not nixing any combo but definitely would like to see Laf with Zibby over Laf/Chytil. I mean no one really knows until we see what happens when the season starts but just feel like Lafreniere-Zibby is a better fit than Lafreniere-Chytil. Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier is a very appealing looking line but just so raw.

 

[GAGLine]

I'd just put Kreider on the 3rd now for leadership.

Laf-Mika-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier/Kravtsov

Spreads out your youth/vets and I'd like to see teams deal with the size and speed of that third line with their third pair D.

The problem with that 3rd line is that none of them are great puck distributors. Maybe Chytil or Kravtsov will become that, but I'd rather have someone like Laf on that line and let Kreider stay with Zib and Buch.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Definitely not nixing any combo but definitely would like to see Laf with Zibby over Laf/Chytil. I mean no one really knows until we see what happens when the season starts but just feel like Lafreniere-Zibby is a better fit than Lafreniere-Chytil. Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier is a very appealing looking line but just so raw.

I'd rather the first combo as well, but I'd rather Laf-Chytil than Laf-Strome.

Strome needs someone to do ALL of the heavy lifting for him up the ice, I don't want to put that on Laf as while he isn't a slouch in that regard, it's also not his greatest strength. Hes also the weaker defensive player so if that is something that worries you, it should be a mark against Strome, not for him.

Strome away from anyone but Panarin is really a recipe for disaster.

 

[Richard Banger]

What I think the lines could be

Laf-Zib-Kreider
AP-Chytil-Kakko
Krav-Howden-Buch
Goat-Barron-Lemmy

ADA-Fox
Lindgren-Trouba
Who cares because they are going to get less than 14mins a night

Igor
Geo


I wouldn’t be surprised if we walked away from Strome and didn’t sign another C

 

[Levitate]

The problem with that 3rd line is that none of them are great puck distributors. Maybe Chytil or Kravtsov will become that, but I'd rather have someone like Laf on that line and let Kreider stay with Zib and Buch.

I mean Kravtsov is a good puck distributor but I dunno that he's going to actually be over here if there's a season

 

[TheDirtyH]

I'd rather the first combo as well, but I'd rather Laf-Chytil than Laf-Strome.

Strome needs someone to do ALL of the heavy lifting for him up the ice, I don't want to put that on Laf as while he isn't a slouch in that regard, it's also not his greatest strength. Hes also the weaker defensive player so if that is something that worries you, it should be a mark against Strome, not for him.

Strome away from anyone but Panarin is really a recipe for disaster.

I'd run with these pairs:

13-93
10-72
20-16

The right wings can fill as you see fit, but I think Kreider makes sense to put with Strome as he's committed defensive winger and in general will do the dirty work. Laf should play with Zibanejad for obv reasons. Panarin and Chytil could be a great match for all the reasons Dubois and Fast worked well with Panarin.

 

[NYRangers16]

I'm with you on Lafreniere and Chytil Being a mistake but I don't want Panarin and Zibby on the same line. Panarin needs to carry Strome for the most part. Maybe having Lafreniere on the first line right from the start is a little to idealistic but I could see a good fit with Buch on the other wing.
Put Kreider with Chytil.

Was thinking this too. Laf’s playmaking could be awesome with Zib and Buch on the other side.

Also I want to split up the kids. We could have Kakko with Panarin and Strome and then Kreider with Chytil + (Gauthier?)

If we are splitting the 3 up the only way is for Laf to play with Zib, but I actually think that could be an amazing combination.