Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[Thirty One]

anyone else think Fox is the logical pick to play LD?

put him with Trouba bc he can handle the tougher matchups.

Lindgren or whoever plays best of the LHD with DeAngelo.

It would also allow more flexibility is Tony isn't a long-term Ranger.

 

[Edge]

anyone else think Fox is the logical pick to play LD?

put him with Trouba bc he can handle the tougher matchups.

Lindgren or whoever plays best of the LHD with DeAngelo.

While the Rangers aren't terribly keen on playing guys on the off-side, I will say that they seemed to be more "open" to Lundkvist and Schneider as possibilities there than ADA or Fox. I use open somewhat loosely though.

 

[Alluckks]

Fox might be able to transition to LD the best of our guys but that is because he is the most natrually gifted at the total game. Personally, J want no part of shuffling around our young star in the making. That is just meddling.

 

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[Savant]

They've already messed around with Kreider on the right.

It's not as big a deal as you're making it.

If Kreider is on the right, then the left is not as strong either. This is a team that had big problems with secondary scoring. I don’t think it’s a great idea.

I would much rather they put Kreider with Chytil and Lafreniere with Strome than have a scenario where Lemieux is 3LW. The Rangers having a lot of forward depth is a myth. The guys that would contribute to this are not ready yet.

 

[gravey9]

If I'm the Rangers and I'm looking around at the league and I'm asking myself who is going to pay Ryan Strome over 4m a year? Senators? Buffalo? And if Strome goes to those kind of teams who will his linemates be? And will his numbers EVER look good enough to sniff close to 4m again? Rangers have the leverage here. Anything over 4 and I hope the Rangers walk.

 

[Savant]

i doubt they move Buch until they at least know if somebody like Kreider can play RW.

I don’t seen the point of moving Buch out and Kreider to RW if it makes the bottom six worse by proxy.

Either way Strome needs to be the first domino to fall. Once the Rangers know what to do with Strome, they will have a better idea of how to assemble this.

I don’t hate the idea of 11F/7D at this point either. A lot to figure out though.

 

[gravey9]

If Kreider is on the right, then the left is not as strong either. This is a team that had big problems with secondary scoring. I don’t think it’s a great idea.

I would much rather they put Kreider with Chytil and Lafreniere with Strome than have a scenario where Lemieux is 3LW. The Rangers having a lot of forward depth is a myth. The guys that would contribute to this are not ready yet.

I don't want any of our under 22s to get 1st line assignments. If we're forcing them to develop at the NHL level, we should shelter them from the burdens of carrying the team.

We lucked out with Fox and Lindgren last year. What they accomplished is incredibly rare. And they were sheltered for a good chunk of the year. I dont want Chytil, Laf, Kakko or Kravtsov in a position where they are relied on to carry the offense or take on the toughest matchups. Not yet.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Radical idea here, with a potential hole at RW why not try DeAngelo on the wing

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Radical idea here, with a potential hole at RW why not try DeAngelo on the wing

Don’t...make...dumb....joke

 

[Savant]

If I'm the Rangers and I'm looking around at the league and I'm asking myself who is going to pay Ryan Strome over 4m a year? Senators? Buffalo? And if Strome goes to those kind of teams who will his linemates be? And will his numbers EVER look good enough to sniff close to 4m again? Rangers have the leverage here. Anything over 4 and I hope the Rangers walk.

Buffalo already made their Strome move when the got Eric Staal. Ottawa has no reason to give up assets, maybe at the deadline if they are surprising but not now. Best case scenario is Rangers keep Strome on their terms, under the walk away price and ride it out. Anything over walk away price, I think they cut the cord though.

 

[Savant]

I don't want any of our under 22s to get 1st line assignments. If we're forcing them to develop at the NHL level, we should shelter them from the burdens of carrying the team.

We lucked out with Fox and Lindgren last year. What they accomplished is incredibly rare. And they were sheltered for a good chunk of the year. I dont want Chytil, Laf, Kakko or Kravtsov in a position where they are relied on to carry the offense or take on the toughest matchups. Not yet.

Yeah it’s crazy. A lot of people are putting Lafreniere and Chytil together and I think that is a horrible mistake. Chytil doesn’t even know what he is yet. Kravtsov won’t be here to start the year, but the other three I would not put on Any of the same lines as each other. Think duos:

• Zibanejad and Panarin
• Kreider and Chytil
• Lafreniere and Strome

From there you can mix and match a bit. Kakko could certainly go with that first line. Buchnevich has played well with Kreider and Gauthier probably has a good landing spot on Line 3. But you can mix that around. Also if Strome stays they might want to keep him with Panarin again so he puts up numbers and they can move at the deadline but this is also why I hate projecting lines early.

 

[RGY]

Great job by Mike Johnson laying the groundwork here. Great job. Almost feels like the Rangers fed him this with a wink wink, like you do this for us and we’ll give you a future scoop on a move.

Btw, the numbers without Panarin...boy oh boy does he stink. But we knew this. We know Strome is awful defensively. Johnson said it best, well when you didnt have Panarin driving possession and play, you were getting pinned in your own end. You weren’t able to drive the play. He has too many defensive lapses. The numbers are there.

 

[bl02]

I am definitely in the Strome "is really only effective when linked with Panarin" camp but are we really gonna walk away if he is awarded something like 4.5 instead of 4? for a year or two? Wouldn't that be like cutting your nose to spite your face? I like the balance of having Chytil on the third line with guys like Lafreniere or Kreider at his side.
At least we kind of know what we have in the second line with Strome/Panarin.
I know it's probably crazy but the biggest thing that worries me about Strome coming back is Quinn giving him PP time over Kakko/Lafreniere.

 

[bl02]

Yeah it’s crazy. A lot of people are putting Lafreniere and Chytil together and I think that is a horrible mistake. Chytil doesn’t even know what he is yet. Kravtsov won’t be here to start the year, but the other three I would not put on Any of the same lines as each other. Think duos:

• Zibanejad and Panarin
• Kreider and Chytil
• Lafreniere and Strome

From there you can mix and match a bit. Kakko could certainly go with that first line. Buchnevich has played well with Kreider and Gauthier probably has a good landing spot on Line 3. But you can mix that around. Also if Strome stays they might want to keep him with Panarin again so he puts up numbers and they can move at the deadline but this is also why I hate projecting lines early.

I'm with you on Lafreniere and Chytil Being a mistake but I don't want Panarin and Zibby on the same line. Panarin needs to carry Strome for the most part. Maybe having Lafreniere on the first line right from the start is a little to idealistic but I could see a good fit with Buch on the other wing.
Put Kreider with Chytil.

 

[Thirty One]

I am definitely in the Strome "is really only effective when linked with Panarin" camp but are we really gonna walk away if he is awarded something like 4.5 instead of 4? for a year or two? Wouldn't that be like cutting your nose to spite your face? I like the balance of having Chytil on the third line with guys like Lafreniere or Kreider at his side.
At least we kind of know what we have in the second line with Strome/Panarin.
I know it's probably crazy but the biggest thing that worries me about Strome coming back is Quinn giving him PP time over Kakko/Lafreniere.

If the Rangers arbitration ask is 4 and he's awarded 4.5, if they walk away I think he comes back and takes the 4. I don't see him getting more than that in this economy.

 

[bl02]

Great job by Mike Johnson laying the groundwork here. Great job. Almost feels like the Rangers fed him this with a wink wink, like you do this for us and we’ll give you a future scoop on a move.

Btw, the numbers without Panarin...boy oh boy does he stink. But we knew this. We know Strome is awful defensively. Johnson said it best, well when you didnt have Panarin driving possession and play, you were getting pinned in your own end. You weren’t able to drive the play. He has too many defensive lapses. The numbers are there.

Yep that is why he needs to play with Panarin as much as possible. Otherwise he gets lost in the lineup and is largely ineffective.
Also gives us two proven lines. And hopefully with Chytil making improvements and playing with improved wingers (Kreider? Kakko? hopefully an improved Gauthier???)

 

[TheDirtyH]

While the Rangers aren't terribly keen on playing guys on the off-side, I will say that they seemed to be more "open" to Lundkvist and Schneider as possibilities there than ADA or Fox. I use open somewhat loosely though.

yeah, I think 'down the line' is one thing. I'm thinking for next season. Although if those two are part of that equation it's a whole new series of questions and concerns.

 

[bl02]

If the Rangers arbitration ask is 4 and he's awarded 4.5, if they walk away I think he comes back and takes the 4. I don't see him getting more than that in this economy.

I would agree with that but it's not 100 percent obviously. Not sure if I would take that risk for 500 k on a short term contract but depends on how the Rangers feel on Chytil becoming a 2c as early as next year.

 

[Edge]

If the Rangers arbitration ask is 4 and he's awarded 4.5, if they walk away I think he comes back and takes the 4. I don't see him getting more than that in this economy.

Don't quote me on this, because my understanding of the arbitration process isn't great, but doesn't the number have to be higher for the Rangers to walk away?

 

[Off Sides]

I am definitely in the Strome "is really only effective when linked with Panarin" camp but are we really gonna walk away if he is awarded something like 4.5 instead of 4? for a year or two? Wouldn't that be like cutting your nose to spite your face? I like the balance of having Chytil on the third line with guys like Lafreniere or Kreider at his side.
At least we kind of know what we have in the second line with Strome/Panarin.
I know it's probably crazy but the biggest thing that worries me about Strome coming back is Quinn giving him PP time over Kakko/Lafreniere.

I tend to agree now that ADA came in where he did, I don't think the Rangers are going to be that worried about say ~500K.

It's more if he ends up like 1.5M over what they want.

 

[Ola]

anyone else think Fox is the logical pick to play LD?

put him with Trouba bc he can handle the tougher matchups.

Lindgren or whoever plays best of the LHD with DeAngelo.

I think that our RDs should stay at RD.

 

[gravey9]

I am definitely in the Strome "is really only effective when linked with Panarin" camp but are we really gonna walk away if he is awarded something like 4.5 instead of 4? for a year or two? Wouldn't that be like cutting your nose to spite your face? I like the balance of having Chytil on the third line with guys like Lafreniere or Kreider at his side.
At least we kind of know what we have in the second line with Strome/Panarin.
I know it's probably crazy but the biggest thing that worries me about Strome coming back is Quinn giving him PP time over Kakko/Lafreniere.

If they cut ties with Strome, they will need to bring in another vet C. That's for sure. I think they might be flexible over a few hundred k. But I also think that there may be some future opportunities to upgrade the roster the longer the pandemic goes. And this is NOT the roster you want to be up against the cap with. We need some flexibility. Either to upgrade or to further alleviate pressure being put on kids that might need to be shuttled back and forth to the A. And i think being 1.2m from the cap versus 600/700k from the cap is fairly significant as you go deeper into the season and that space slowly becomes more space. If there's a big upgrade suddenly in 4 months but we need 2.5m or 3m in cap space, having that extra 500k at the start of the season makes these things more feasible.

 

[Thirty One]

I would agree with that but it's not 100 percent obviously. Not sure if I would take that risk for 500 k on a short term contract but depends on how the Rangers feel on Chytil becoming a 2c as early as next year.

I would feel more comfortable with Strome, for sure. But that 500K would be big this year, and the risk is that you have to go to market for a likely cheaper replacement and hope Panarin would carry him.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Don't quote me on this, because my understanding of the arbitration process isn't great, but doesn't the number have to be higher for the Rangers to walk away?

$4.5MM and change is the cutoff.

EDIT: here ya go, the exact number for 2020 from CapFriendly:

• Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 1 year and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the awarded salary, making the player a UFA [CBA 12.10(a)]
• Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 2 years and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the second (2nd) year of the awarded salary, making the player a UFA at the end of year 1 [CBA 12.10(b)]

Arbitration Filings - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps