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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

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NYSPORTS said:
Two things

1- I get the feeling Carolina is becoming the Bruins. Adding Fast will be a headache. They’re a good team and their kids are maturing.

2 - the Rangers might take a step back. Yes, they actually got younger. With so many kids i think they need to push them into development and a Fast would be taking ice time takes away from that development.

Keeping Fast would have made the team better yet i’m not sure keeping him would have the difference. Yes, Carolina took a step forward and the Rangers took a step back IMO. I think Carolina is primed to surge while the Rangers are at least a year away. I think two years and beyond we’re going to be in really good shape.
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I see very little chance that this team misses the playoffs with Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Buch, Strome, Kakko, and even Lafreniere and Chytil spilling out of their top 6. And that's not even to mention the possibility of contributions from players like Gauthier, Howden taking a step forward, or Kravtsov making the leap. And with Shesterkin in net and a defense that can push the puck with probably nearly any team in the league.

Actually defending will remain a big problem until some of the left side D prospects become NHLers, but I don't think anyone is visualizing a team without holes that is ready to compete right now. But a lot of mediocre teams make the playoffs and the Rangers are absolutely not going to be mediocre when it comes to putting pucks in the net.

But if we do miss the playoffs and have one more sell off at the deadline (Strome, Buch, possibly ADA, possibly Georgiev), I won't complain.

Find that future center. Seems like a lot of D in the top 10, but a lot of Centers in the 10-15 range (McTavish, Sillinger, Johnson, Dean, Beniers, Eklund). So no lottery win required.
 
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mas0764 said:
I see very little chance that this team misses the playoffs with Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Buch, Strome, Kakko, and even Lafreniere and Chytil spilling out of their top 6. And that's not even to mention the possibility of contributions from players like Gauthier, Howden taking a step forward, or Kravtsov making the leap. And with Shesterkin in net and a defense that can push the puck with probably nearly any team in the league.

Actually defending will remain a big problem until some of the left side D prospects become NHLers, but I don't think anyone is visualizing a team without holes that is ready to compete right now. But a lot of mediocre teams make the playoffs and the Rangers are absolutely not going to be mediocre when it comes to putting pucks in the net.

But if we do miss the playoffs and have one more sell off at the deadline (Strome, Buch, possibly ADA, possibly Georgiev), I won't complain.

Find that future center. Seems like a lot of D in the top 10, but a lot of Centers in the 10-15 range (McTavish, Sillinger, Johnson, Dean, Beniers, Eklund). So no lottery win required.
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I worry about Fox having a sophomore slump, but it's a weird year and he didn't play a full NHL season last year, or this one. Maybe that works in his favor, which could be great for us in a shortened season.

And how some people think that a freshly 25 year old Tony D can't get better at defense is totally beyond me.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Two things

1- I get the feeling Carolina is becoming the Bruins. Adding Fast will be a headache. They’re a good team and their kids are maturing.

2 - the Rangers might take a step back. Yes, they actually got younger. With so many kids i think they need to push them into development and a Fast would be taking ice time takes away from that development.

Keeping Fast would have made the team better yet i’m not sure keeping him would have the difference. Yes, Carolina took a step forward and the Rangers took a step back IMO. I think Carolina is primed to surge while the Rangers are at least a year away. I think two years and beyond we’re going to be in really good shape.
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Even for as far as we've come, this is still a very young team that is going to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Even someone like Chytil, who feels like he's been around forever at this point, is barely 21 years old.

To put that into perspective, we have three prospects in our top 10 who are still younger than Chytil is today, and nine in our top 23 (with a solid argument that a 10th prospect who is older than Chytil will also round out the top 25).

To some extent, we're used to our rookies being 20 or 21 and our younger guys with several years under their belts being closer to that 23-24 range. Now we're looking at a roster with teenagers, multi-year players barely being old enough to drink, etc.

It's kind of a different beast than many fans are used to.
 
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Pronman put out his rankings of the top U23 players leaguewide. Our guys are at the following:

4. Lafreniere
9. Kakko
28. Fox
44. Chytil
77. Lundkvist
90. Kravtsov
93. Howden (still don't get what Pronman sees here)
106. Gauthier
138. Schneider
 
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Pronman put out his rankings of the top U23 players leaguewide. Our guys are at the following:

4. Lafreniere
9. Kakko
28. Fox
44. Chytil
77. Lundkvist
90. Kravtsov
93. Howden (still don't get what Pronman sees here)
106. Gauthier
138. Schneider
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Wait, wait, wait. Who is 1-3? Matthews, Pettersson and who's #3? Quinn Hughes?
 
UnSandvich said:
Pronman put out his rankings of the top U23 players leaguewide. Our guys are at the following:

4. Lafreniere
9. Kakko
28. Fox
44. Chytil
77. Lundkvist
90. Kravtsov
93. Howden (still don't get what Pronman sees here)
106. Gauthier
138. Schneider
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How are Howden and Gauthier there but no Kandre
 
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KreiderBomb said:
We have lots of veteran players already. The short playoff we had with Howden, Chytil, Kakko, Fox this year will prove invaluable for the build, if some of those guys are sitting on the bench for Boyle or some other guy who isn’t part of the future it doesn't help us at all, unless you believe we are a Boyle away from the cup and you've already acknowledged we aren't, so give the kids playoff experience behind Kreider, Panarin, Zib, Buch, Strome, Trouba etc, it will help down the line.
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Dear lord, who said any of those guys would be sitting for Brian Boyle? How hard is this to comprehend? Boyle isnt taking any one of those player’s places. Not one. He is taking the vacancy on the 4th line with proven experience. Enough with the nonsense of passing off kids like Chytil and Howden as “vets” as if they have proven a damn thing in this league yet. And stop trying to double down on that same note of experience for those kids by claiming an extremely short playoff run is enough to say alright these kids have matured and they are indeed “experienced”. Mind blowing that we are acting like those kids are at the same stage as Panarin, Kreider, Zib, etc. Adding to that young group in the bottom 6 could be even more beneficial than any short lived playoff run.
 
He ranks over 150 with complete writeups on each, so I feel comfortable sharing the first 30 as a simple list. (Mods, please edit if you feel the need.)

Here's the link: Ranking the best NHL players under 23: Corey Pronman's top 155

PLAYERPOS.TEAMTIER
1. Auston MatthewsCTorontoGenerational/Special
2. Rasmus DahlinDBuffaloSpecial
3. Elias PetterssonCVancouverSpecial
4. Alexis LafreniereLWNY RangersSpecial
5. Matthew TkachukLWCalgarySpecial/Elite
6. Andrei SvechnikovRWCarolinaSpecial/Elite
7. Patrik LaineRWWinnipegSpecial/Elite
8. Jack HughesCNew JerseySpecial/Elite
9. Kaapo KakkoRWNY RangersSpecial/Elite
10. Quinton ByfieldCLos AngelesSpecial/Elite
11. Quinn HughesDVancouverElite
12. Brady TkachukLWOttawaElite
13. Cale MakarDColoradoElite
14. Miro HeiskanenDDallasElite
15. Tim StutzleCOttawaElite
16. Kirby DachCChicagoElite/High-end
17. Lucas RaymondLWDetroitElite/High-end
18. Pierre-Luc DuboisCColumbusElite/High-end
19. Cole PerfettiCWinnipegElite/High-end
20. Robert ThomasCSt. LouisElite/High-end
21. Nico HischierCNew JerseyElite/High-end
22. Mikhail SergachevDTampa BayElite/High-end
23. Trevor ZegrasCAnaheimElite/High-end
24. Charlie McAvoyDBostonElite/High-end
25. Barrett HaytonCArizonaElite/High-end
26. Dylan CozensCBuffaloElite/High-end
27. Nick SuzukiCMontrealHigh-end
28. Adam FoxDNY RangersHigh-end
29. Alexander HoltzRWNew JerseyHigh-end
30. Alex DeBrincatRWChicagoHigh-end
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Edge said:
Even for as far as we've come, this is still a very young team that is going to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Even someone like Chytil, who feels like he's been around forever at this point, is barely 21 years old.

To put that into perspective, we have three prospects in our top 10 who are still younger than Chytil is today, and nine in our top 23 (with a solid argument that a 10th prospect who is older than Chytil will also round out the top 25).

To some extent, we're used to our rookies being 20 or 21 and our younger guys with several years under their belts being closer to that 23-24 range. Now we're looking at a roster with teenagers, multi-year players barely being old enough to drink, etc.

It's kind of a different beast than many fans are used to.
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All the more reason to mix in One vet into the bottom 6 who you will get at a bargain.
 
Pronman has some strange opinions.

Heiskanen is closer to 1 than 14.

Imagine valuing Howden over these players? Vilardi, Lundell, Fabbro, Krebs
 
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How is it Vegas somehow has 4 jerseys now and the Rangers don't have a third still?

Every NHL team should be releasing third jerseys this year so they can make some extra dough on merchandise sales
 
this is not the first person I've seen call Auston Matthews generational/on the border and I just really, really want an explanation as to why.
 
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I’d caution that veterans don’t take ice time away from young players. Veterans set the standard for young players. Right now, I’m worried that this team Is too young and does not have enough veteran leadership. Losing Staal, Lundqvist and Fast is a lot of experience out the door. Once the situation with Strome is settled, I expect they will move to bring in at least one more veteran player.
 
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I’d caution that veterans don’t take ice time away from young players. Veterans set the standard for young players. Right now, I’m worried that this team Is too young and does not have enough veteran leadership. Losing Staal, Lundqvist and Fast is a lot of experience out the door. Once the situation with Strome is settled, I expect they will move to bring in at least one more veteran player.
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Screaming need for a good vet LD on this team.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
He ranks over 150 with complete writeups on each, so I feel comfortable sharing the first 30 as a simple list. (Mods, please edit if you feel the need.)

Here's the link: Ranking the best NHL players under 23: Corey Pronman's top 155

PLAYERPOS.TEAMTIER
1. Auston MatthewsCTorontoGenerational/Special
2. Rasmus DahlinDBuffaloSpecial
3. Elias PetterssonCVancouverSpecial
4. Alexis LafreniereLWNY RangersSpecial
5. Matthew TkachukLWCalgarySpecial/Elite
6. Andrei SvechnikovRWCarolinaSpecial/Elite
7. Patrik LaineRWWinnipegSpecial/Elite
8. Jack HughesCNew JerseySpecial/Elite
9. Kaapo KakkoRWNY RangersSpecial/Elite
10. Quinton ByfieldCLos AngelesSpecial/Elite
11. Quinn HughesDVancouverElite
12. Brady TkachukLWOttawaElite
13. Cale MakarDColoradoElite
14. Miro HeiskanenDDallasElite
15. Tim StutzleCOttawaElite
16. Kirby DachCChicagoElite/High-end
17. Lucas RaymondLWDetroitElite/High-end
18. Pierre-Luc DuboisCColumbusElite/High-end
19. Cole PerfettiCWinnipegElite/High-end
20. Robert ThomasCSt. LouisElite/High-end
21. Nico HischierCNew JerseyElite/High-end
22. Mikhail SergachevDTampa BayElite/High-end
23. Trevor ZegrasCAnaheimElite/High-end
24. Charlie McAvoyDBostonElite/High-end
25. Barrett HaytonCArizonaElite/High-end
26. Dylan CozensCBuffaloElite/High-end
27. Nick SuzukiCMontrealHigh-end
28. Adam FoxDNY RangersHigh-end
29. Alexander HoltzRWNew JerseyHigh-end
30. Alex DeBrincatRWChicagoHigh-end
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....Laf is way too high, Kakko is laughably too high, Jack Hughes being that high makes me not take this list seriously and that it was made by a Rangers fan that pumped him up just to not seem biased.
 
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