Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

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By the way this would be a real depressing offseason if we hadn’t won first overall and Lafrenière.

I mean we did nothing. Replaced Staal and McKegg with Rooney and Johnson

watch Hank and Fast walk away (a good thing)

but talk about uninspiring. We would not have done anything other than hope some guys developed.

Well if we didn't get Laf, we would have had Lundell. This was the Rangers top 10 as reported by Edge and he was available at 11 so I think that would have been a safe assumption.
1. Lafreniere 2. Byfield 3. Stutzle 4. Holtz 5. Sanderson 6. Lundell 7. Drydale 8. Rossi 9. Perfetti 10. Raymond

Lundell plays another year in Finland but we assume we have a Lundell-Kakko pairing for the future. That's a pretty optimistic outlook and far from depressing. Sure, UFA season is disappointing but look at the big picture. I love that management has their eye on our contract situation with all these young players. If they don't navigate it correctly, we could end up in a Toronto Maple Leafs type of cap hell.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Lundell-Kakko
Gauthier-Chytil-Kravtosv

doesn't give us a potential generational or 1A player but it would have solved our 2C issue.
 
Fair point. But can you find an LD on the cheap right now to replace whatever output Smith was going to provide?

What output do you speak of?
Nearly any kid can replace what he brings to the table..
 
I’d truly be interested in Toews with a little retention if he becomes available. Send them Strome to unite the brothers, one of our decent prospects, a 2nd. I don’t know. Toews, to me, has plenty of value. His last two years have been statistically excellent while being a two-way force and leader. 142 points in his last 152 games, career 57% on face offs. His contract makes him less valuable in a trade, but what he brings is exactly what we need.
 
I’d truly be interested in Toews with a little retention if he becomes available. Send them Strome to unite the brothers, one of our decent prospects, a 2nd. I don’t know. Toews, to me, has plenty of value. His last two years have been statistically excellent while being a two-way force and leader. 142 points in his last 152 games, career 57% on face offs. His contract makes him less valuable in a trade, but what he brings is exactly what we need.
I think Toews would be a great fit here but little worried about Chicago retaining as much salary as possible and having to give up a decent prospect or two on top of that. Really more worrisome is the term and money. He still has a 10.5 million dollar cap hit for the next three years. I doubt Chicago retains even half his salary over that term. And the money he is owed/salary cap hit totally coincides with a flat cap era.
Having said that of course It would be super exciting to have someone like Toews to lead us in the playoffs with young wingers like Kakko and Lafreniere at his side.
 
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What output do you speak of?
Nearly any kid can replace what he brings to the table..

the output of being functional which outside of Lindgren, zero LD have shown. Hopefully some kids step up but that’s a gamble dumping smith with this LD group
 
the output of being functional which outside of Lindgren, zero LD have shown. Hopefully some kids step up but that’s a gamble dumping smith with this LD group

Functional?
That's really the label you want to put on Smith?
Yes.. Hopefully some kids step up.
I'll leave it at that..
 
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I'm with you and Toews would be a great, responsible add to the team. Captain Serious is a natural-born leader and winner. He holds his play accountable and practically is a Selke-finalist every year.

But even if we had the chance to do it now, we're not fully capable of competing until we address that area. Defense is certainly underappreciated at times on the board. Look at the last 2 winners in Tampa, and the Blues -- yes, the forwards bought in and played great two-way hockey. But, their defensemen were all big, mean, skilled and mobile.
Not only that but they rode great goal tending. Their D wasn’t afraid to make mistakes because vezina vasilefsky and Jim Carey I mean Jordan binington were lights out and able to bail their teammates out when needed. I’m extremely comfortable with georgi and shesty between the pipes. Shesty in particular because he handles the puck like a savage. You watch what a big difference that’s gonna be from last year
 
There is nothing wrong with icing some youth in your lineup. But filling every role and position with a bunch of assumptions and unknowns could do more harm than good for the kids and the team as a whole. Just because you drafted them doesnt mean you just throw ice time at them. Thats a very silly position to take. Yes the team is trying to make the playoffs AND start to win a bit. Forcing kids into roles they are not ready for is more short sighted than it is visionary for the future.

I think they should add one more competent and proven NHL player at a discount. Maybe 2 as insurance. But definitely 1. To me thats Granlund.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Granlund
Lemmy-Howden-Gauthier

Rooney/Blackwood/Barron/PDG - those are your options right now if someone is not progressing on that 4th line. I’d really rather Boyle on the 4th line over Howden and send Howden to the AHL so he can really focus on developing the parts of the game that will allow him to carve out a long career in the NHL, and that is Faceoffs and Defensive play. Very much like a Dom Moore role.

We have plenty of insolation throughout the lineup so im not sure what you are talking about filling everything with kids. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Strome, Smith, Trouba, Buchnevich, Deangelo and Lemieux , Johnson are all vets at this point and you should probably include Howden and Chytil as well. Fox and Kakko are heading into their 2nd year, and there is no question they are holding spots. So what we are talkin about is adding Lafreniere, possibly Barron and possibly Miller, and if those guys don't work out we go to our backup plans. Management knows its players, at some point you have to let them play and learn as they go.
 
Got an email today that the Westminster Dog show will NOT be at MSG and Pier 92 and 94. Event location will be outdoors in Westchester County (Lyndhurst) and instead of being in February, it will be in June.

100 year tradition at MSG gone because of COVID 19 email stated.

I don't live in NY anymore so not sure if this is one of the first big MSG events to change or not.
 
It’s honestly not that I wanted additions. I’m on record many times saying I want Chytil at 2C and Miller to make this team.

I think not finding a buyer for Strome. Then signing a guy like Jack Johnson that obviously is going to block a kid has really deflated me.

feels like we didn’t do enough one way or the other
Jack Johnson is not blocking anyone. If a young player beats him out of a job, they can find the $40K in the couch cushions and send him off to wherever.
 
I appreciate many people like Brian Boyle, but I really don’t see him coming back to the NYR. As I remember he was fairly vocal on his way out about not getting the opportunity he wanted. And I believe he even took less from TB (was it TB?) than we offered. Tax benefit or not, that’s still significant. So even if he’s over it and wants to come back, I doubt the Rangers FO is going to be very interested.
 
I think Toews would be a great fit here but little worried about Chicago retaining as much salary as possible and having to give up a decent prospect or two on top of that. Really more worrisome is the term and money. He still has a 10.5 million dollar cap hit for the next three years. I doubt Chicago retains even half his salary over that term. And the money he is owed/salary cap hit totally coincides with a flat cap era.
Having said that of course It would be super exciting to have someone like Toews to lead us in the playoffs with young wingers like Kakko and Lafreniere at his side.

Yeah, Toews as our 2C is a luxury but his cap is really the main issue. If we take the full salary, maybe the deal is bearable. If Chicago retains, the asking price will still be really high. Like you said, his last two years have been somewhat of a Toews Renaissance. His FO% is great, he can kill penalties, take hard assignments for Zibs. He's the type of 2nd center we need. ROR fits that mold too but I'm afraid the cost will just be too high. There isn't going to be any "getting Toews for cheap"
 
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I appreciate many people like Brian Boyle, but I really don’t see him coming back to the NYR. As I remember he was fairly vocal on his way out about not getting the opportunity he wanted. And I believe he even took less from TB (was it TB?) than we offered. Tax benefit or not, that’s still significant. So even if he’s over it and wants to come back, I doubt the Rangers FO is going to be very interested.
what if he retired and came on as our skating coach? ;)
 
We have plenty of insolation throughout the lineup so im not sure what you are talking about filling everything with kids. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Strome, Smith, Trouba, Buchnevich, Deangelo and Lemieux , Johnson are all vets at this point and you should probably include Howden and Chytil as well. Fox and Kakko are heading into their 2nd year, and there is no question they are holding spots. So what we are talkin about is adding Lafreniere, possibly Barron and possibly Miller, and if those guys don't work out we go to our backup plans. Management knows its players, at some point you have to let them play and learn as they go.
They absolutely do not have “plenty of insulation” throughout the lineup. Grouping Lemieux, Howden, and Chytil into your argument is as big a reach as you can make...claiming those kids are “insulation” aka vets when they themselves are still trying to figure out their own way in this league, their own identity. Even Buchnevich and DeAngelo are a reach. Those two are 24-25 years old and were just discovering what they can be in the NHL over the last 2 years, especially DeAngelo. So you are left with is, being more realistic, Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin, Strome, Trouba, Smith, and Johnson. That latter two might not even be regulars halfway through the season, maybe even sooner than that at least one of them isn’t. But even so thats SEVEN players in your entire lineup that are actual vets to breakup the youth and provide experience. And then if you break it down even further, you look at a guy like Strome who is terrible away from the puck, terrible in his own end, and terrible on the faceoff dot.

Management wants to take the next steps forward towards contention. Part of that process is creating good structure and a winning culture, which requires the right players in the right roles. No, Morgan Barron should not be on your 3rd line to start. So is it really good for his development to be getting limited minutes on the 4th line? Miller has a ways to go with his defensive game. He is going to just jump to the NHL, no problem? Oh well if they dont then we’ll just go to our “backup plan” of Jack Johnson, Kevin Rooney, Mackenzie Blackwood, etc., more NHL/AHL tweeners. And then what happens? We fall short in games or towards the end of the season because we didnt have a strong enough 3rd line, let alone a 4th line. We didnt have a solid faceoff guy to win key draws, besides just having Zibanejad. We didnt have quality PKers. We didnt have enough defensively responsible forwards to help the D. We ended up rolling 3 lines and not matching up well.

We have so much youth. It is ok to add 1-2 more proven NHL vets. Let Gauthier/Barron/Kravtsov/Miller/Lundkvist/Reunanen force the Rangers hand to move out Strome or say a Granlund who would be on a short term deal. Let them develop the right way. They dont need to be force fed minutes, it has only been detriment for Howden. It didnt work for Lias Andersson. And it really hasnt done much for Chytil. Look how long it took for DeAngelo, Buchnevich, and even Zibanejad to really find themselves. Whats the rush with our secondary tier talent beyond Kakko and Lafreniere? No one is advocating signing Granlund or Haula or whomever longterm.
 
Functional?
That's really the label you want to put on Smith?
Yes.. Hopefully some kids step up.
I'll leave it at that..
Yes functional. You are being quite dramatic with how you feel he played. He provided 3rd pair level defense on a team that had poor defensive structure, which starts from the coaching downward. I think Smith will be pretty decent this year and if he does stay, he hopefully gets switches places with Reunanen/Hajek to the 3rd pair as the year goes on.
 
Got an email today that the Westminster Dog show will NOT be at MSG and Pier 92 and 94. Event location will be outdoors in Westchester County (Lyndhurst) and instead of being in February, it will be in June.

100 year tradition at MSG gone because of COVID 19 email stated.

I don't live in NY anymore so not sure if this is one of the first big MSG events to change or not.

Donnie is f***ing livid.
 
I wonder if a guy like Haula is waiting to see if some money frees up due to a team walking away from an arbitration award...for example.
+1

Granlund too. They both clearly have options. It would seem they are waiting to see some things work themselves out before they take a deal. The Strome case is clearly one of the biggest variables still in play.

Stay tuned.
 
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