Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[jay from jersey]

I think I agree in principle but at this point isn’t Chytil - if not a veteran - at least not a total neophyte.

We don’t know what we have internally yet because Kravtsov Barron LaF haven’t played a single nhl game yet. We also don’t know if Kakko and Chytil have gotten significantly better then last year in their off season work outs. I’m on the side of let’s evaluate our guys for 15-20 games first before we make a trade and do something rash like give tony away for a player we might not need when Strome is a perfectly adequate 1 year stop gap guy. If our kids look great then Strome moves down in the line up. If not he could play the minutes with Panarin. Tony D brings something very special to this line up and frankly, I’m shocked so many want to move him out before they even see him at LD. What if we get Monahan and he sucks here?? We’re stuck for 3 years with a 6 mill cap hit

 

[duhmetreE]

You need good players on ELCs. They don’t have to be your best players.

Stamkos, Ovechkin, Pietrangelo...dudes didn’t win a Cup until they were in their 30s. Lafreniere can’t even drink yet.

fact of the matter is... The New York Rangers will ice the most talent in their franchises history, over the next 3-5 years.

If we do not win over the next 3-5 years, I'd say that's a disappointment

 

[Alluckks]

I don't think the difference between Strome and Monahan, if played on a line with Panarin, is anywhere close to the difference between DeAngelo and whoever would take his spot in the lineup.

In a vacuum, sure.

But this would open the Rangers up to being able to take on a player that requires expansion protection. Which is something that they could not do right now.

For instance, Vince Dunn for a couple of mid prospects? (St Louis badly needs prospects)

Panarin Monahan Kakko
Kreider Zib Buch
Laf Chytil Gauthier (or Granlund on a cheap 1 year deal which our Insiders have mentioned we have out there)
Lemieux Howden Rooney (Barron)

Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Reunanen Smith

 

[gravey9]

What if we get Monahan and he sucks here?? We’re stuck for 3 years with a 6 mill cap hit

Agreed with the entirety of the post. But to take even further, if Kakko, Laf and only 1 or 2 other prospects turn into legit impact building blocks, the Monahan contract could be a ticking time bomb on the core. People are already complaining about the Kreider and Trouba deals. Adding Monahan salary knowing in 1-2 years we have re-sign Shesty, Kakko, Fox, Lindgren, DeAngelo, Buch, Chytil is unjustifiable UNLESS you think Monahan is part of the core. And I just don't buy that Monahan is a core piece. I understand Strome isn't. I understand Monahan may be an upgrade in some ways. But I am not absolutely not sold on Monahan being a guy you want to devote 6.3m to during a flat cap situaiton.

Keeping Strome at 1 year / 4m vs Monahan at 3 years/ 6.3m is a no brainer to me.

There is far too much uncertainty with our young prospects to make a trade like this.

What we need clarity on first is what is Filip Chytil? Is he a 2C? Is he a 3C? Is he a middle six wing? If Chytil turns into a 2C, who plays 3C? Monahan? Zib?

Furthermore, Filip Chytil JUST turned 21. When Mika Z was 24, he scored 47 points in 72 games and was a minus 23 or something. At 25, he finally blossomed into a top 6 center. At 26, he became a #1C. Buch has had a similar trajectory. Kreider too. I mean Panarin didn't even come over to NA until he was what, 24? To expect to know what Chytil's ceiling is by the end of this 20-21 season or 22-23 MAY be unrealistic and too impatient.

We must be patient and watch the kids grow. We can hope for them all to mature as quickly as possible, but making judgments about our most talented prospects at such young ages is a doomed proposition.

Just because we're amassing a ton of young elite talent, doesn't mean we will manage it correctly. I remember the summer when Justin Schultz signed with the Oilers out of college. There was a real excitement at that time about how much talent the young Oilers had amassed. And how they were suddenly attracting college UFAs. They were THE team on the rise. That was 9 years ago. 9! They're still figuring out how to build around McJesus and Drai.

Nate McKinnon just played his 7th season in CO and they're still building...

We need some major, major patience. Chances are, we are not winning a cup in 2 seasons or 3 or 4. But if we start rushing it now, that'll turn into 10 seasons, 11, 12...

 

[NYRangers16]

I think I agree in principle but at this point isn’t Chytil - if not a veteran - at least not a total neophyte.

Yes, I agree. I have high hopes for Chytil. He also showed flashes last year. Assuming we keep Strome, shouldn’t we put Chytil and the other younger guys in position to succeed?

We don’t need Laf to perform as a #1 liner(or Kakko or Chytil). But let’s support them with quality linemates. My thought was based on the idea that Panarin/Zibs/others(Kreider?) can provide them with both leadership and quality play.

I’d rather not see a Laf/Chytil/Kakko 3rd line.

I also strongly disagree with this idea of a 1st/2nd/3rd line idea, at least as far as our team is constructed. We can “shelter” our young guys while also giving them the help they need to flourish.

There is the possibility to roll 3 lines deep. That benefits both the young guys and our team.

Laf with Zibby and Buch/Kreider doesn’t require Laf to be a world beater. Kakko with Panarin/Strome also doesn’t require him to be an all-star.

Chemistry can obviously be adjusted for, but this idea of line order seems very outdated.

 

[QJL]

Fun thought...

I’m hoping for an NHL season as soon as possible, but if it’s delayed, imagine Lafreniere and Kakko at world juniors this year.

 

[Ola]

fact of the matter is... The New York Rangers will ice the most talent in their franchises history, over the next 3-5 years.

If we do not win over the next 3-5 years, I'd say that's a disappointment

I want 6 cups the coming 10 years.

 

[RGY]

You need good players on ELCs. They don’t have to be your best players.

Stamkos, Ovechkin, Pietrangelo...dudes didn’t win a Cup until they were in their 30s. Lafreniere can’t even drink yet.

Technically Lafreniere is of legal drinking age if he is hanging out in his country of origin.

 

[Elliman]

fact of the matter is... The New York Rangers will ice the most talent in their franchises history, over the next 3-5 years.

If we do not win over the next 3-5 years, I'd say that's a disappointment

Very exciting times for sure and we’ll have a hell of a team if all pans out but I strongly disagree with the most talent statement in our franchises history.

 

[egelband]

I want 6 cups the coming 10 years.

I’m willing to be patient but this is ridiculous. We’ve got to expect more, you...bleeding heart!

 

[Vitto79]

Patience is fine to an extent, I prefer it to doing something rash and stupid...

But the truth of the matter is that this group is going to have to take at least one run while Laf is on his ELC. Whether that means doing major things next off season or the offseason after that, I don't know, but if we're relying on our D prospects to step up and eat those big minutes we'll be wasting a pretty good opportunity here. The only guy I'm comfortable with throwing out there against top competition is Fox. Miller might be that guy, ditto Robertson and/or Schneider, but those guys are going to take time to cook (especially Miller.)

I think the cap this year made then say let’s not rush .... next year you will see them get a LD.... they need to leave that 3rd pair for kids .

A lot of options next year. Who’s dealt for a LD Likely TDA

TDA, Trouba
Lindgren , Fox
Miller , Lundkvist
Hajek, Reunanen
Robertson , Schneider
Jones, Rykov

 

[leetch99]

3 cups...follow the Penguin path . One early with Ziba and Panarin as the main duo and then the next two with one of them retained and the 2 kids Laf and Kakko & Shesty -Fox and Tony-Miller Lindgren the only fixtures from the back end that remain constant . The rest...don't get that attached to them.

 

[RGY]

I think the cap this year made then say let’s not rush .... next year you will see them get a LD.... they need to leave that 3rd pair for kids .

A lot of options next year. Who’s dealt for a LD Likely TDA

TDA, Trouba
Lindgren , Fox
Miller , Lundkvist
Hajek, Reunanen
Robertson , Schneider
Jones, Rykov

Its always tough to project a year down the road.

But a year down the road, Lindgren, Reunanen, and Hajek will all be 23 entering the 21-22 season. And if Lindgren isnt protected and isnt taken by Seattle, then I really think you see Lindgren-Fox take over the 1st pair role. Trouba slots into your 2nd pair, which is great depth, and he pairs with either another vet or one of Reunanen/Hajek. I really think Reunanen makes the team this year and impresses. That leaves your 3rd pair LD open. And right there you either have Hajek or you have an emerging K’andre Miller or Matthew Roberson who will be 21 and 20, respectively, entering that season. They could play the sheltered minutes next to Lundkvist and ease their way in. But bottom line is our LD isnt that young. 23 years old soon to be 24 in the 22-23 season.

Point being is I would rather consider moving DeAngelo for a C than a LD, at the deadline or a year down the road. DeAngelo will be our highest valued asset, both in production and commodity as a RD PP specialist, for us to get a top end C.

 

[Vitto79]

Chicago has cap space ... would they take Strome for a 3rd to play with his Brother?

NYR signs Granlund or Haula for cheaper ?

A way to get under the cap without dealing Smith who may not have a market

 

[Irishguy42]

Chicago still needs to sign Dylan Strome and that will take up most of the ~5.2M they have remaining.

Don't see them trading for Ryan unless they're sending salary back. Or Dylan.

 

[SA16]

Chicago has cap space ... would they take Strome for a 3rd to play with his Brother?

NYR signs Granlund or Haula for cheaper ?

A way to get under the cap without dealing Smith who may not have a market

What cap space? They have 18 players signed with 5.2M remaining and D. Strome is an RFA. You'd have to take back like Zack Smith.

 

[Vitto79]

What cap space? They have 18 players signed with 5.2M remaining and D. Strome is an RFA. You'd have to take back like Zack Smith.

Dang read it wrong then .... there’s like 4 teams that could take salary back , no wonder UFAs are sitting there

 

[GAGLine]

Technically Lafreniere is of legal drinking age if he is hanging out in his country of origin.

Stupid metric system.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The one thing im disappointed in during this draft wasnt the Schneider as a player but that we didn’t pick a center with a first pick because its entirely possible Zibanejad prices himself out of here, i dont see him wanting to leave but if he continues to get the odd concussion we may not wanna spend 8 or 9 mill over 7 for him. Even if that isnt the case we still need another center for the future. I like Schneider, he looks like a player that could turn into a building block...i was just just looking for a center.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The one thing im disappointed in during this draft wasnt the Schneider as a player but that we didn’t pick a center with a first pick because its entirely possible Zibanejad prices himself out of here, i dont see him wanting to leave but if he continues to get the odd concussion we may not wanna spend 8 or 9 mill over 7 for him. Even if that isnt the case we still need another center for the future. I like Schneider, he looks like a player that could turn into a building block...i was just just looking for a center.

The center position is gonna need to be filled via trade. Good thing we’ve been collecting assets for the last three years.

 

[Rongomania]

The center position is gonna need to be filled via trade. Good thing we’ve been collecting assets for the last three years.

Oh yeah, between prime roster players and A prospects, we shouldn't have to worry about getting a good 2C in a trade. Add to that, if Chytil and/or Howden break out, that solves that problem internally.

Will be a good year to watch how the kids grow and assess filling the holes next off season (as many here have agreed would be a better time to gauge everything).

 

[LannyMcdonald]

I’m willing to be patient but this is ridiculous. We’ve got to expect more, you...bleeding heart!

10 cups in 6 years?

 

[RGY]

The center position is gonna need to be filled via trade. Good thing we’ve been collecting assets for the last three years.

Was just going to say this.

The Rangers took Schneider who they felt was the BPA there and they already have Lundkvist in addition to Fox-Trouba-DeAngelo. Even if DeAngelo switches to the Left side I dont see him being here past this season. I see him being part of a package to get you a C. Still think Monahan could be that guy, but who knows. Situations change fast in this league.

But also having another high end RHD as Schneider is, thats a commodity that a lot of teams dont have or dont have enough of. We are a prime example. It took years to find a high end RD or even just RD with a lot of potential to be high end. Even in the contending years we had guys like Girardi and Klein, they were very steady stay at home defenseman but nothing of the caliber that Fox is or even Trouba for that matter. We watched Stralman walk which in essence forced us to pay up multiple assets to get Yandle, who while I loved the offense and personality, his defensive game was subpar. Very similar to the DeAngelo situation. Bottom line is we have a surplus at one of the most sought after positions in the league. I think the thought process from JG/JD was take the asset* and revisit the Center position discussion later while having desirable assets, as opposed to taking a Center at 19 or 22 OA in the draft that they either dont think highly of OR see as a 3-4 year development path.

 

[Kovalev27]

fact of the matter is... The New York Rangers will ice the most talent in their franchises history, over the next 3-5 years.

If we do not win over the next 3-5 years, I'd say that's a disappointment

completely agree. We’ve never EVER had this level of offensive talent. Not even close ever! A number one center 27 years old, These guys have a franchise goalie behind them. They’re stacked at right D too and have a bunch of talented young LDs coming. This group should win at some point.

 

[kovazub94]

Stupid metric system.

More like damn Frenchies.