Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I didn’t say just their 2C was weak. Their one C is weak too.

and like I said sure Stone elite. But JM Smith and Patches are good but certainly not elite wingers.

I don’t think they’ve improved their weakness frankly

I don’t disagree that I don’t think Vegas is being smart right now. But I would think they’re banking on improvement from Glass instead of hoping for like Chandler Stephenson to be their 2C lol

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t disagree that I don’t think Vegas is being smart right now. But I would think they’re banking on improvement from Glass instead of hoping for like Chandler Stephenson to be their 2C lol

that’s what I said! and you came back with chandler Stephenson at me lol

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It’s like 2007 all over with MBS in which contract paper values are being traded left and right to balance books with no thought given to the value of the underlying asset

 

[aufheben]

Interesting that Vegas is just going to keep MAF on the team after all this?

Seems like that could be weird in the locker room.

Lehner has an eye injury apparently.

 

[bobbop]

If we had any inkling that Lafreniere would be a Ranger before free agency opened, Kreider would never have been re-signed. That contract won’t be back breaking, but I doubt it ages well. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I’d rather have the cap space.

Kreider will be earning his money as the leader of this team. I’m a little scared that the Rangers don’t have enough veteran presence. Kreider will be counted on big time to lead.

 

[bobbop]

So at the time when Kreider was resigned Gorton should have known that the cap won’t go up by let’s say $6m over the next three years and we get 1OA that not only added an immediate roster player but also an immediate roster player at LW?

I guess you could say that he created this cap situation himself by not considering the high likelihood of this possibility.

Yeah, you need to keep those pandemics in mind.

C’mon man!

 

[huerter]

Chara would solve many problems.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

If the Rangers don’t plan on competing, then see if you can get an unprotected 2022 1st out of ADA or something. Look toward the future. If you are confident you aren’t going to be competitive and you don’t see certain players being here in a couple years, then why hold onto them? It’ll also help the cap problem.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Chara would solve many problems.

None of them hockey related.

 

[Leetch3]

If the Rangers don’t plan on competing, then see if you can get an unprotected 2022 1st out of ADA or something. Look toward the future. If you are confident you aren’t going to be competitive and you don’t see certain players being here in a couple years, then why hold onto them? It’ll also help the cap problem.

yeah definitely smarter to sell guys off for picks then to just ride out the year with dead cap space

 

[huerter]

None of them hockey related.

uhh, we're a hockey team.

 

[Avery16]

Interesting that Vegas is just going to keep MAF on the team after all this?

Seems like that could be weird in the locker room.

They’ll stick MAF around the corner.

 

[Avery16]

Chara would solve many problems.

Hard to reach spaces

 

[DanielBrassard]

They aren't flipping a righty to the left. That's posturing for the trade market.

Trouba had a foot out the door in Winnipeg over the switch. Deangelo has enough on his plate defensively playing the right. They should be protecting Fox's career instead of compromising his development for this Frankenstein season.

Smith should be on the left, platoon him and JJ with whichever prospect is deserving.

I don't think the Rangers saying they could move someone to LD has anything to do with posturing. Especially if they aren't expecting much this season why not see what one of your talented RD could do?

If it works it allows you to keep all 3 and have Lundkvist in the lineup.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I don't think the Rangers saying they could move someone to LD has anything to do with posturing. Especially if they aren't expecting much this season why not see what one of your talented RD could do?

If it works it allows you to keep all 3 and have Lundkvist in the lineup.

If it doesn't work you killed value on the guy they seem to be shopping or they hamper their amazing, young defenseman. For a season they aren't expecting much.

But the craziest thing about the flip, is you switch Smith who is just giving you the same replacement level play regardless. Why lower the impact of a right defender to just have Smith doing Smith things on the right instead of the left? Just swallow your medicine until the deals fall into place.

 

[RangersFan1994]

does Nick Jones get a contract?? he played a game or 2 in preseason this past summer.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kreider will be earning his money as the leader of this team. I’m a little scared that the Rangers don’t have enough veteran presence. Kreider will be counted on big time to lead.

Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Panarin, Strome*, Trouba, Smith. That's a good amount right there. Plus any trade that happens is more likely to bring in a vet presence instead of a guy with little to no NHL experience.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

yeah definitely smarter to sell guys off for picks then to just ride out the year with dead cap space

If you don’t plan to keep them then what difference does it make? And if you don’t plan on competing then you might as well tank. Bring up all the young guys, give them NHL experience, then look to 21-22 to start really competing. If you don’t expect to keep ADA, what benefit is there to having him? Same with Strome. You keep them if you plan on competing, but management seems to be writing this season off.

 

[broadwayblue]

If you don’t plan to keep them then what difference does it make? And if you don’t plan on competing then you might as well tank. Bring up all the young guys, give them NHL experience, then look to 21-22 to start really competing. If you don’t expect to keep ADA, what benefit is there to having him? Same with Strome. You keep them if you plan on competing, but management seems to be writing this season off.

They aren't writing anything off. IT'S A PROCESS. The season hasn't even started yet.

 

[Leetch3]

If you don’t plan to keep them then what difference does it make? And if you don’t plan on competing then you might as well tank. Bring up all the young guys, give them NHL experience, then look to 21-22 to start really competing. If you don’t expect to keep ADA, what benefit is there to having him? Same with Strome. You keep them if you plan on competing, but management seems to be writing this season off.

yes because the only 2 options are to go for it in win now mode and tanking...its definitely not possible for a young team to build and get better year over year.

 

[mas0764]

Could the cap potentially go down?

This is really a 180 response from the front office. They were already moving full speed ahead with the Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin signings, and getting Lafreniere should only accelerate the project.

I get that a lot of the cap space we have now isn't actually "there" but the Rangers seem really afraid of something coming down the road.

The Athletic just put out an article the other day quoting experts who seem to think the NHL is still in line to get a massive upgrade in its TV package, citing MLBs September deal that was 65% larger than its old one in the middle of the pandemic.

And baseball is already on multiple networks and is relatively stagnant as a sport. The NHL is about to expand from one network to probably multiple networks and IMO has a bit of a growth in the quality of its product going on right now. I think the league is still gonna get an absolutely massive increase, which should still eventually play into our hands as we need to lock up our stars.

 

[bobbop]

Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Panarin, Strome*, Trouba, Smith. That's a good amount right there. Plus any trade that happens is more likely to bring in a vet presence instead of a guy with little to no NHL experience.

It’s really not. Panarin is not a true leader. Strome and Smith both have one foot out the door. Buchnevich may not be far behind. You need more veteran stability especially when you consider that you may have as many of 10 players on ELCs next year. You just lost Stall, Lundqvist and Fast. That’s a lot of leadership out the door.

 

[mas0764]

At this rate we're going to end up with Jonathan Toews at 50% for a 2025 6th round pick.

I’m cool with that.

 

[n8]

Chara would solve many problems.

43 y.o. Chara on the same $1M 1 year contract probably > Jack Johnson.

 

[bobbop]

A 3rd and Schmidt for Pietrangelo is a deal 32 GMs would make every day of the week if they can fit the cap hit. Pietrangelo is >>> Schmidt in every way.

A 3rd, Schmidt and Stasny for Pietrangelo. Not sure I make that deal.