Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[LokiDog]

If Kreider’s money isn’t on the books, who are they signing to replace him? Who is going to provide that same level of play that he offers? The speed that keeps the opposition honest? The net front presence on the PP? Forget the other things like leadership and tenure in this organization, which he does provide. Forget even the physical play and size he offers. What is all that money allowing you to do this offseason that you cannot do with him on the books? Or even next offseason in which more money comes off the books. You weren’t going to roll out another young guy to the already extremely young team to replace Kreider. So who were you planning to sign that offers all that? I don’t see Kreider’s contract as a hindrance, with or without Lafreniere. I don’t see a quality replacement. There is something to be said about having someone who has been around the organization for more than a few years.

Who said that money has to be used this off season? We’re not contending next year. Kreider will be on the books every year. I’d rather have the cap space overall, not to spend this summer. Nothing you’re saying is wrong, but 7M is a lot and we’ll have plenty of big contracts to give out over the coming years. Not remotely comparable, and not that great of an option, but I’d rather sign a guy like Maroon for 1M for net front presence and leadership than have Kreider until 36. Again, I’m not disagreeing at all with what you’re saying and I’m positive the Rangers were thinking along the exact same lines when he was signed. Obviously unexpectedly cashing in on a potential franchise altering #1OA and getting saddled with 3 years of flat cap makes hindsight a whole different ballgame.

 

[Trxjw]

Guys we have no idea what the Rangers have been up to. Gorton could have been on the phone 24/7 for the last week trying to make a big move. Frankly there’s been a lot of crazy shit happening, so, be careful what you wish for...

At this rate we're going to end up with Jonathan Toews at 50% for a 2025 6th round pick.

 

[GAGLine]

Isn't just $4M in space needed?

For now, yes. If other players with bonuses make the team, that number we will be higher. We have just under 15 mil in cap space after you subtract out the penalties. Strome and ADA will get 10 mil between them. Another 3 mil for Lemmy and Georgie. That leaves us with maybe 2 mil, probably less, as they'll want to leave space for call ups. DiGi will be re-signed, but that gives us 14 forwards, and I don't think we'll carry that many, so someone will be sent down.

 

[Leetch3]

Could the cap potentially go down?

This is really a 180 response from the front office. They were already moving full speed ahead with the Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin signings, and getting Lafreniere should only accelerate the project.

I get that a lot of the cap space we have now isn't actually "there" but the Rangers seem really afraid of something coming down the road.

the cap won't go down...if they did the regular calculation it would but they guaranteed with the flat cap that it won't go below 81.5...but they owners will eventually recoup their share for the cap being over 50%. so the longer it takes revenue to get back to some sort of normally the longer it will remain at 81.5 mil

and its not a 180 at all....they paid the big $$ to their guys last year and now this year are SMARTLY not handing out significant money to the mediocre depth players that were available. spending recklessly and tanking aren't the only 2 options

 

[pled]

Lindgren plays with Fox so probably Smith.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not. does one of Trouba or DeAngelo play left side or is trouba really gonna be stuck with smith?

 

[Richard Banger]

At this rate we're going to end up with Jonathan Toews at 50% for a 2025 6th round pick.

Toews at 5 mil? Hell yeah

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Based on everything Edge has said, mgmt has been actively trying to upgrade, just not via free agency.

I’m sure they are. They’re also significantly handicap by what they can do so

Management basically went on a press tour today saying everyone should calm expectations for next season

 

[kovazub94]

he signed kreider before any "known" cases of covid in the USA and how the f*** could he plan that a team that was like 15th best in the NHL would get lafreniere???

I am pretty sure we’re on the same page here!

 

[aufheben]

I’m sure they are. They’re also significantly handicap by what they can do so

Management basically went on a press tour today saying everyone should calm expectations for next season

Theyre handicapped wrt free agency but not trades so much.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I will say it is interesting that Calgary hasn’t made a trade yet. After all the talk of “changing their core.”

 

[RGY]

Who said that money has to be used this off season? We’re not contending next year. Kreider will be on the books every year. I’d rather have the cap space overall, not to spend this summer. Nothing you’re saying is wrong, but 7M is a lot and we’ll have plenty of big contracts to give out over the coming years. Not remotely comparable, and not that great of an option, but I’d rather sign a guy like Maroon for 1M for net front presence and leadership than have Kreider until 36. Again, I’m not disagreeing at all with what you’re saying and I’m positive the Rangers were thinking along the exact same lines when he was signed. Obviously unexpectedly cashing in on a potential franchise altering #1OA makes hindsight a whole different ballgame.

I understand where you are coming from. But I dont know I am just not as concerned with a $6.50 AAV on the books for the next 4-5 years. Years 6 and 7 were always my hesitation, but if the world and league can recover in 3-4 years, then the cap should increase and with that his $6.50 won’t hold the same weight it does today. And imo I think his $6.50 with some money retained would be movable in years 6 and 7 if need be. Its the first 4 years of his deal, as it is with Panarin, that he adds valuable elements to this team that will start to make its transition towards serious contenders.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Theyre handicapped wrt free agency but not trades so much.

We’re splitting hairs here to be honest but I’m not expecting any big trade to go down tbh

Our biggest trade chips right now, Tony clearly isn’t as valuable as the Rangers think, and no one (not even Gorton) wants Strome

 

[aufheben]

I'm not sure if you're serious or not. does one of Trouba or DeAngelo play left side or is trouba really gonna be stuck with smith?

I’m completely serious.

 

[Machinehead]

quick question, who is your top LD ? Lindgren, Smith ?

Probably me at this point.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I will say it is interesting that Calgary hasn’t made a trade yet. After all the talk of “changing their core.”

How much cap space do they have left after signing Markstrom and Tanev?

 

[Machinehead]

So at the time when Kreider was resigned Gorton should have known that the cap won’t go up by let’s say $6m over the next three years and we get 1OA that not only added an immediate roster player but also an immediate roster player at LW?

I guess you could say that he created this cap situation himself by not considering the high likelihood of this possibility.

He signed Trouba and Shattenkirk which weren't good moves with or without the covid.

 

[aufheben]

We’re splitting hairs here to be honest but I’m not expecting any big trade to go down tbh

Our biggest trade chips right now, Tony clearly isn’t as valuable as the Rangers think, and no one (not even Gorton) wants Strome

Who f***ing cares we’re set up better than almost any other team in the league.

 

[aufheben]

How much cap space do they have left after signing Markstrom and Tanev?

Not sure they’re still going to want DeAngelo after signing Tanev.

 

[Machinehead]

Imagine if Chytil becomes a good 2C. That would make us competitive without having to do anything.

 

[Savant]

For a player like Schmidt, I think they could find the difference between his salary and what DeAngelo would get.

All a moot point...Schmidt going to Vancouver.

For a 3rd. We broke

 

[aufheben]

Imagine if Chytil becomes a good 2C. That would make us competitive without having to do anything.

There are a LOT of things that could make us better next year without doing anything.

 

[bl02]

We’re splitting hairs here to be honest but I’m not expecting any big trade to go down tbh

Our biggest trade chips right now, Tony clearly isn’t as valuable as the Rangers think, and no one (not even Gorton) wants Strome

Agree. At this point keeping our players is best scenario in this climate. Unless you wanna get 25 cents on the dollars.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

There are a LOT of things that could make us better next year without doing anything.

Jack Johnson retiring to join Jack Johnson as a rhythm guitarist for example

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

For now, yes. If other players with bonuses make the team, that number we will be higher. We have just under 15 mil in cap space after you subtract out the penalties. Strome and ADA will get 10 mil between them. Another 3 mil for Lemmy and Georgie. That leaves us with maybe 2 mil, probably less, as they'll want to leave space for call ups. DiGi will be re-signed, but that gives us 14 forwards, and I don't think we'll carry that many, so someone will be sent down.

PDG is already re-signed for $700K. CapFriendly updated this eve to include the deal.

 

[Machinehead]

There are a LOT of things that could make us better next year without doing anything.

And I'm still convinced one of our RH defenseman gets a look on the left.

If we can make that happen, it kills like four birds with one stone.