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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

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SA16 said:
Would anyone seriously be advocating to have signed Schmidt to a 5 year 30M deal if he was a UFA this offseason going into his age 29 season? No? They why would we have wanted to trade for him now? He's a good fit as a player. He's not a great fit at his age/deal with our current team.

Especially with the way the market has been this year you have tons of guy signing way cheaper than expected.
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I like the player but not a real #1. Would have been good to play with Trouba and shield our kids.... would have given up a third all day long if we had the space... but we don’t.

And he’s not worth trading DeAngelo for.
 
I see that Schmidt doesn't really fit our window. Just like Kreider. So i get the logic in not bringing him and having to deal with that contract in 2 years.

It all leads me to this conclusion:

NYR still have something cooking for a young-ish C or LD that might cost us a bit more than just signing our current RFAs. And it may or may not come to fruition. And if it doesn't, JG and JD are cool with going with what we got for now.
 
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This is what's frustrating. All of these teams are getting these steal deals and we're kinda just sitting here with our thumbs up our ass. I get it that we have to balance the cap, but if you're giving up so little in assets for a quality player, I'm sure we could find a way to figure things out.
 
gravey9 said:
I see that Schmidt doesn't really fit our window. Just like Kreider. So i get the logic in not bringing him and having to deal with that contract in 2 years.

It all leads me to this conclusion:

NYR still have something cooking for a young-ish C or LD that might cost us a bit more than just signing our current RFAs. And it may or may not come to fruition. And if it doesn't, JG and JD are cool with going with what we got for now.
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Right, but we re-signed Kreider. That's the part I don't get.
 
MysticLeviathan said:
This is what's frustrating. All of these teams are getting these steal deals and we're kinda just sitting here with our thumbs up our ass. I get it that we have to balance the cap, but if you're giving up so little in assets for a quality player, I'm sure we could find a way to figure things out.
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I don’t think so.

There’s no room to add another contract like that unless someone is going the other direction.

And again... not moving 24 year old DeAngelo for non true #1 LD 29 year old Schmidt.
 
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MysticLeviathan said:
This is what's frustrating. All of these teams are getting these steal deals and we're kinda just sitting here with our thumbs up our ass. I get it that we have to balance the cap, but if you're giving up so little in assets for a quality player, I'm sure we could find a way to figure things out.
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Also, we can't pretend the salary cap just falls from the sky like snow.

Gorton created our cap situation.
 
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RGY said:
I guess thats my issue... I think Howden is absolutely terrible at the center position and its requirements and I also dont see Chytil as a center. Even if he can make it happen, I dont see him as a PKer who can take faceoffs. Strome falls into that same boat of Chytil. Barron and Khodorenko are unknowns. Barron is more of a winger anyway.

So to go into the season with such a pivotal position (in every sense of the word) with a bunch of question marks, really square peg round hole, is a poor evaluation of your roster. You need guys who can win defensive draws and PK. We do not have that. Zibanejad PKing is an abuse of his workload as our 1C
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Chytil for better or worse is going to get a look at center this year — especially with some of the options they have on the wings. That’s the plan at least.

Howden very well could be on borrowed time. The question is whether The Rangers in their current situation view this as the guy to force that issue. My guess is probably not.

But I also get the sense that management is more at peace with the question marks this year than the fans are — especially as they gear up to make certain decisions over the next 8 months or so.

Whether or not that proves to be the right decision remains to be seen.
 
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gravey9 said:
We resigned Kreider before we got Laf. Getting Laf changed the math entirely.

It's all besides the point, Kreider is now one of the best and only mentors on the team right now. And I'm glad to have him. We are SOOO young. Like scary Oilers young right now.
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Instead of thinking about what Lafreniere gets paid in three years, I'd be trying to make something happen while he's not making that, but that's just me.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Or people need to realize that our "cap space" is really a mirage.
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Meh. If we have $6M in space it should be enough. I'd go in with the mindset that Lafreniere and Shesty hitting their bonuses. That's $75.5. I do not think we need to be a full $10M under the cap. I think there's a good chance Strome is gone. So, 9-10M to re-up our RFAs brings us to $73.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Org sees players hitting their bonuses, couldn't they just offload a player like Smith? or Buch for that matter?
 
Machinehead said:
Instead of thinking about what Lafreniere gets paid in three years, I'd be trying to make something happen while he's not making that, but that's just me.
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Oh I'm not talking about what Laf gets in three years. I'm talking about Laf RIGHT NOW. With the bonuses that's nearly 4m in used cap that would not be on the books this year if we were picking at 12. The bonuses are much lower for a #12 pick and that contract would slide.
 
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Honestly, I don't think the Kreider deal is that bad when looking at the player and the contract. The problem is he's going to be a 3rd line player at some point in the near future. If, for instance, Laf played center, it would be far more forgiving. But with Panarin ahead of him and Laf soon to be ahead of him, the Kreider deal looks kinda bad.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
Well, they are looking at a flat cap for three more years now
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Could the cap potentially go down?

This is really a 180 response from the front office. They were already moving full speed ahead with the Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin signings, and getting Lafreniere should only accelerate the project.

I get that a lot of the cap space we have now isn't actually "there" but the Rangers seem really afraid of something coming down the road.
 
Machinehead said:
Could the cap potentially go down?

This is really a 180 response from the front office. They were already moving full speed ahead with the Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin signings, and getting Lafreniere should only accelerate the project.

I get that a lot of the cap space we have now isn't actually "there" but the Rangers seem really afraid of something coming down the road.
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It's fair for them to be cautious. It's a dance they have to play. There's still a major uncertainty. For all we know a year from now things will be more or less back to normal and we could be starting a new season very shortly, or we could be looking at partially filled stadiums.

I'm just disappointed that we made moves and so many were saying it was to build up cap space for a big move and we kinda did nothing.

Maybe some teams are banking on some kind of compliance buyout, but we're not risking it.
 
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Richard Banger said:
That’s how you put yourself in cap hell. I don’t want the rangers to only compete when Laf is on his ELC. I want lots of kicks at the can.
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He'll be turning 22 when his ELC is up. We'll be getting that regardless.

The guy's probably going to be here through 3 or 4 roster overturns.
 
Machinehead said:
Could the cap potentially go down?

This is really a 180 response from the front office. They were already moving full speed ahead with the Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin signings, and getting Lafreniere should only accelerate the project.

I get that a lot of the cap space we have now isn't actually "there" but the Rangers seem really afraid of something coming down the road.
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It's more about not carrying things over any further than they need to/ensuring that they have some wiggle room in season.

They have so much money coming off the books after next season. We'll probably see them be more active (to an extent) once they get all of that extra dough.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Anyone who thinks this is a great deal for Vancouver needs to look at their CapFriendly. They are screwed.
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Now they are "stuck" interesting to see what kind of move they make to free up room.
If Nate was 25ish I think it would have been a good move. I just fear a decline 2-3 years from now when we are really contending for a cup.
 
If we had any inkling that Lafreniere would be a Ranger before free agency opened, Kreider would never have been re-signed. That contract won’t be back breaking, but I doubt it ages well. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I’d rather have the cap space.
 
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