Being able to deploy Panarin and Zibanejad on two separate lines was one of the strengths of the team.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII
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Panarin - Chytil - Strome
Keeps Strome and Panarin chemistry together to see if they can replicate, allows Chytil an opportunity in the top six with veteran linemates.
KZB
Leave it alone for now. If Lafreniere supplants Kreider or Kreider switches to RW at some point, it’ll be down the line.
Laf - X - Kakko
Would prefer X not to be Howden. At this point Granlund and Haula are both out there and both Finns. Getting a veteran Finn on a cheap one year show me deal to play on a line with Kakko could be great and behind those other lines, this line could get favorable matchups.
If Chytil doesn’t work centering Panarin’s line shift Strome back over, move Kakko or Kreider (or Granlund/Haula... or Gauthier) to the RW, and play with line combos from there. If Strome stinks too but the Finns seem to click roll a Panarin/Haula/Kakko line, KZB and Laf/Chytil/Strome.
I don't like the Johnson signing, but who is he blocking? Miller? Can Miller first show that he belongs in a real camp? And actually earns his spot?
At his price tag, Johnson can easily be relegated to the bench of Harford. But let the kids first actually get into a real camp and then outplay him.
I think that Chytil will get a chance, but like all other youngsters, he is going to have to outperform the competition in camp. If Kakko is having a great camp and beating out all competition, then Chytil will need to be better than Strome. Could he be? Sure. But am not betting on it for this year.
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Yes. Last season it was. This season Kakko and Lafreniere can hopefully pick some of that load up. All I am saying is Strome (if he stays) is. The best option to center Lafreniere. The rest is putting the the. Puzzle together.
To me, this is only true to an extent. The lineup needs balance as well. I don’t know who would fill Fast’s spot on the top line right now, but let’s say Gauthier wins it in camp for some reason (or someone like Granlund was brought in, for argument’s sake, not a prediction). I don’t think Quinn would want to roll a Laf/Chytil/Kakko line of kids, even if that’s the spots they earned. If Strome is given a one year arb award earning more than what the Rangers want to pay him, I also don’t think they’ll be so eager to separate him from Panarin based just off of camp and preseason throw away games. They’ll likely want to give them a while together hoping they can replicate their success and bump up Strome’s value for the TDL (for example). Same with KZB. I don’t know if they’d break that up just based off of camp or preseason games. I think to an extent you can assume that KZB and Panarin-Strome will at least start the season together. If they don’t click like in the past, we could see that broken up sooner than later, but I feel like those are really going to be a given for the first 10-20 games.
So operating within those assumptions, let’s say both Kakko and Chytil looked better than Strome. They *could* run Panarin/Chytil/Kakko, but I don’t think they’re going to be willing to start Strome on the third line. So then it’s either Pan/Chyt/Strome or Pan/Strome/KK. Then you either have Chytil stuck in the bottom six, or Kakko and Laf as your third line wings, needing a center (better/more experienced than Howden). I think they clearly want to give Chytil a shot in the top six, but I also can’t see them not trying to keep the Panarin/Strome connection for at least 10 games. So it could be Kakko on their wing, but that keeps Chytil from getting an opportunity to show himself. Laf and Kakko centered by a competent (maybe Finnish) player on the third line, however, is a lot of talent capable of taking advantage of mismatches.
Obviously it’s too early to tell, but I just expect
KZB
Panarin -x/Strome - Strome/x
Laf - x - x
Lem - Howden - Gauthier
is pretty much locked in to start. Where Kakko and Chytil slot and who is the 12th forward are my questions.
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Just adding a Finn won't necessarily mean miracles for Kakko. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that just like all other nationalities, all Finns do not necessarily get along and have magical chemistry on the ice.
I certainly don’t think that. But Haula and Granlund are two of the best options still out there, and a veteran who speaks in your own language can still be a comfort and a mentor, even if they’re not BFFs and roommates. The nationality is only a tertiary consideration.
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
yeah but a lot of people (including the Rangers) played it off as competitiveness but obviously BS in hindsight. Good on you for seeing through that BS. I was optimistic but it was weird when it happened.
Igor Shestyorkin
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You don’t get paid 8M dollars to play bad. Top defenseman play well against good competition. He’s paid like a top defenseman. Poor excuse.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
What did I nitpick? That showed his body of work this season from a metric standpoint.
And he had 27 points in 70 games, got kicked off the top PP unit quickly. It’s a bit disappointing lol. I hope he plays better but I don’t know how anyone could say he had a good season(not saying you did but just in general).
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n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
McKegg only played 49 min on the PK last season. Rooney played 100 with a PPGA/60 of 6.42 which is pretty good. If Rooney makes the lineup, that's an improvement.
McKegg also took 211 faceoffs winning only 49.3 which is sad because that's the top FOW% on the team for anyone with more than 20 faceoffs.
Rooney took 372 and won 47% so there is going to be no improvement there
No. Would rather have Granlund or Haula. And if those dont come to fruition, then still no to Galchenyuk
Haula, for me personally, is the only guy left I really want. I think he’ll be cheaper than Granlund and is better defensively while still having produced at 50 per 82 pace the past 3 years (nowhere near that in actual numbers due to injuries however). He has the talent though if healthy. Moreover, Haula took 704 face offs last year and won 54.5%. Granlund took 150 and won 48%
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If someone we have can’t beat out the defenseman who is rated last in just about every statistical category over the past 3 years, and including the eye test, for the third pairing on this team... we have some major problems.
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LaffyTaffy
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Dadonov just signed in OTT. Im still hoping we can get a C back for Deangelo and move Strome to Ottawa.
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LaffyTaffy
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Ideally:
1) Deangelo for Monahan/Lindholm
2) Strome for futures
3) 2021 3rd + Hajek/Howden for Dunn
4) Sign Granlund and play Smith at RD
Am i close here @Edge ?
Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Monahan Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Granlund
Lemieux Blackwell/Rooney Gauthier
Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Johnson Smith
Shesty
Georgiev
1) Deangelo for Monahan/Lindholm
2) Strome for futures
3) 2021 3rd + Hajek/Howden for Dunn
4) Sign Granlund and play Smith at RD
Am i close here @Edge ?
Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Monahan Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Granlund
Lemieux Blackwell/Rooney Gauthier
Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Johnson Smith
Shesty
Georgiev
East Coast Bias
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Ah but we've made this mistake before.
There's a risk in putting a kid who is talented/skilled but possibly not ready mentally to make the team out of camp, in that 3rd pair. The coaches/FO will decide what's best for the team, but also for their prospects. They're not going to risk messing with a kid's development to sit Jack Johnson.
And we've gone down this road multiple times with other washed up players and prospects.
it's not as easy as saying "if someone doesn't beat out JJ, we're screwed anyway" or "JJ should only be playing in a worst case scenario with all our kids on the left"
Edge
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Well, Calgary is still a possibility --- but the Rangers want to/have to know what the costs of Strome and ADA are. I feel like any progress with Calgary would likely only happen after that's decided. ADA is now off the table there, so you're looking at something possibly based around Buch. At this point I think you'd be looking at Monahan more than Lindholm as an option both sides might agree upon.
I'd say there are some concerns on both sides - the Rangers about a post-Buchnevich RW landscape, and the Flames about a post-Monahan C landscape.
Strome at this point I suspect might be more likely to be walked away from than traded.
Dunn's price is going to be much higher than what's listed above.
Granlund remains a possibility --- but that's tied to the Rangers parting ways with Strome.
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