Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[RGY]

Pencilled = not guaranteed but they feel he has a real shot to play, pencils have erasers....get it.

Barron and Miller are absolutely not “penciled” into the lineup right now, nor should they be.

Both good raw prospects, that still need to round out there games. Neither have any pro experience. Neither have been playing in leagues against men. And I will continue to reiterate, I like both a lot. But management should not have any of these kids penciled into a lineup. There is a significant risk of doing more harm than good by deploying a heavily young team that is missing the Veterans that should be filling out as your “role” players in the bottom 6, while at the same time not pigeonholing young kids into roles they will get limited ice time and development in. They need to earn it, but management should not be approaching the roster just leaving holes, such as not replacing Fast. Here is your bottom 6 right now (obviously subject to change depending on what happens with Strome and others):

Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Lemmy-Howden-XXXX

PDG and Rooney could be a veteran option somewhere in there. JG/JD want to take steps forward. Squeezing kids into limited roles not only hurts their development but hurts the progress of the team. I think we are going to see another Veteran signed at some point to work their way into that bottom 6. Possibly Granlund to push Gauthier down and be insurance at Center. Maybe Boyle to play alongside Howden and then take late game draws and/or be insurance if Howden continues to be abysmal at the center position. All the while letting Barron ease his way in.

And as for Miller, I have Reunanen and Hajek ahead of him right now. Both have had Pro experience playing against Men. And there is something to be said for that.

 

[Leetch3]

I guess it depends on where Barron fits into the picture and what happens with Strome. But as of now we have

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Panarin Strome Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Gauthier
Lemieux Howden ______

That last spot could go to Barron, Rooney, PDG, Blackwell or even Gettinger or Fogarty.

Also important to note that it is likely roster sizes will be expanded for the upcoming season, especially if there will be temporary bubbles/hubs for series of games.

Rooney's ability to PK after losing Fast probably gives him the early lead for that last spot...but good chance there will be other changes before the season starts

 

[RGY]

Barron at C or Wing?

According to @coz21 who follows Cornell, Barron barely played Center this year. He predominantly played wing and has mainly been a wing throughout his time there. Its not to say he cant make the transition and play center, but he has had little exposure at the position in recent time during crucial years of his development phase.

 

[bbny]

GDT: - NEW YORK RANGERS WIN NHL DRAFT LOTTERY

Most people didn't read it, didn't believe it, or chose to ignore it.

Two likes for you sir, on a great call out months ago. I wish I had seen it. It goes back to my point that these guys have to know the CBA backwards and forwards. They were almost certainly already wary about it just based on having Shesterkin's and Kakko's bonuses, which already got near the cushion limit together.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

from what i've heard Rooney is a pretty good PKer

Hes a very good penalty killer.

It's literally the only thing he can do.

 

[NYSPORTS]

He's been taught the game really well, the halifax area has been really good with developing good players the last number of years, and nova scotia in general. The best thing about it is that Crosby, Marchand and Mackinnon grab other good players from the province and they train and practice together, it really helps the younger players because they are learning from the best in the league, you see the progression with all the players who train with these guys the Killorns,Graves, Batherson, Highmore, both Barrons, etc etc etc. Basically if you are on a road to the NHL in nova scotia there's a good chance you'll train with this group in the offseason.

awesome, ty

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Id think Barron has a higher chance of making the team than Miller.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Pencilled = not guaranteed but they feel he has a real shot to play, pencils have erasers....get it.

lol

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Surprised nobody’s suggested a Bernmeister like idea such as making Schneider change hands and try being a lefty

 

[Cag29]

According to @coz21 who follows Cornell, Barron barely played Center this year. He predominantly played wing and has mainly been a wing throughout his time there. Its not to say he cant make the transition and play center, but he has had little exposure at the position in recent time during crucial years of his development phase.

Where does Barron currently project middle six winger? TY

 

[Zynbanejad]

Id bank on Barron making this squad especially if we don't get something done with Strome. I really get the feeling NY like both him and Miller and have them pencilled in to the lineup. They will have to have a good camp but i do believe they are part of this years plan.

I know NCAA sports are up in the air, but I thought Miller was still planning on going back to school? I might be mistaken though

 

[Savant]

It may not be in the cards, but I would prefer not to have Lafreniere with Chytil as his center. Chytil still needs to figure out what he is himself. Would prefer Lafreniere is with a more veteran guy. Would rather have Lafreniere with Strome and stack Line 1 with Panarin and Zibanejad than have Lafreniere with Chytil

maybe something like

10-93-89
20-72-24
13-16-12
48-21-RW

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Surprised nobody’s suggested a Bernmeister like idea such as making Schneider change hands and try being a lefty

Don't give any ideas, lol

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I guess it depends on where Barron fits into the picture and what happens with Strome. But as of now we have

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Panarin Strome Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Gauthier
Lemieux Howden ______

That last spot could go to Barron, Rooney, PDG, Blackwell or even Gettinger or Fogarty.*

Also important to note that it is likely roster sizes will be expanded for the upcoming season, especially if there will be temporary bubbles/hubs for series of games.

*Or Khodorenko or Richards.

 

[BroadwayHustle]

I know NCAA sports are up in the air, but I thought Miller was still planning on going back to school? I might be mistaken though

He already signed his ELC, so he is AHL or NHL.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I know NCAA sports are up in the air, but I thought Miller was still planning on going back to school? I might be mistaken though

Can't (or at least he can't go back and play hockey). He signed a contract, which nulls his NCAA eligibility.

 

[Zynbanejad]

He already signed his ELC, so he is AHL or NHL.

Can't (or at least he can't go back and play hockey). He signed a contract, which nulls his NCAA eligibility.

Gotcha, thanks! Forgot he signed his ELC. Excited to see him grow.

 

[GAGLine]

Id bank on Barron making this squad especially if we don't get something done with Strome. I really get the feeling NY like both him and Miller and have them pencilled in to the lineup. They will have to have a good camp but i do believe they are part of this years plan.

Unless Strome gets traded, he will be on the team. The arbitration rules in place this year pretty much guarantee that. Even if we walk away from the arbitration award, he can sign with us 4 days later at the number we proposed in arbitration, if he doesn't sign a contract elsewhere within that time.

Also keep in mind that Barron has 850k in bonuses, so he will count 1.775 mil against the cap due to us exceeding the bonus cushion. We can fit him in, but if he makes the team, it might mean Kravtsov doesn't, as he has the same bonus amount. Miller has 300k in bonuses.

 

[Rongomania]

It may not be in the cards, but I would prefer not to have Lafreniere with Chytil as his center. Chytil still needs to figure out what he is himself. Would prefer Lafreniere is with a more veteran guy. Would rather have Lafreniere with Strome and stack Line 1 with Panarin and Zibanejad than have Lafreniere with Chytil

maybe something like

10-93-89
20-72-24
13-16-12
48-21-RW

I agree to an extent, though tacking Laf or Kakko to Chytils wing may help him break out... Also, I think you have to try Laf with Ziba, with Lafs sweet, sweet hands I think Ziba will score so many goals.

It will definitely be interesting and I think it just cannot be understated how much better we got having number 13 on this team.

 

[RGY]

Where does Barron currently project middle six winger? TY

Right now, I’d say ceiling is a middle 6 winger. Things could change if he can show he can be a center in this league. But he has not been doing it in College, and anyone just assuming he can be a 3C let alone a 2C without having been working on this in College, is setting themselves up for disappointment. And listen, I really hope he can be a Center. He has good size, smarts, pays attention to both sides of the puck, etc., all the makings for a Center, and we certainly have a need there. But he hasn’t been developing there to this point. To expect him to not only make the jump to the NHL beating out his peers, which we have a lot of, and then to also make the jump to Center and all the responsibilities that come with it while lining up against Pros who are legit centers, is a tall task to ask of the kid.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Unless Strome gets traded, he will be on the team. The arbitration rules in place this year pretty much guarantee that. Even if we walk away from the arbitration award, he can sign with us 4 days later at the number we proposed in arbitration, if he doesn't sign a contract elsewhere within that time.
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one year of Strome sounds perfect. That’s the CBA so no reason not to flex the rules.

ADA might be the same one year deal if the plan is experimenting on the other side. If he does well, i’d say the Rangers go longer term.

 

[gravey9]

The one guy I'd like to see the team bring in is Brian Boyle.

When I look at the potential leadership group this year, it's not exactly ideal to lead such a young team. Kreider is the only one I feel strongly about. If he's here maybe Strome. Not so excited about Mika or Trouba with an A. I think Mika leads with his play on the ice, but not necessarily a natural captain type in my mind. The only other player I like for an A is, and I know he's young, but Ryan Lindgren.

If we brought in Boyle, I would give him an A and let him and CK guide the youngins. I also think Boyler is good on FOs, good on the PK and is a professional bottom six forward who could really help stabilize a lot of things in our own zone.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The one guy I'd like to see the team bring in is Brian Boyle.

When I look at the potential leadership group this year, it's not exactly ideal to lead such a young team. Kreider is the only one I feel strongly about. If he's here maybe Strome. Not so excited about Mika or Trouba with an A. I think Mika leads with his play on the ice, but not necessarily a natural captain type in my mind. The only other player I like for an A is, and I know he's young, but Ryan Lindgren.

If we brought in Boyle, I would give him an A and let him and CK guide the youngins. I also think Boyler is good on FOs, good on the PK and is a professional bottom six forward who could really help stabilize a lot of things in our own zone.

Where is he playing? We don't need Boyle.

 

[Off Sides]

as it stands right now, I think that 2 of those 3 will be on the team as the 12th/13th forward...the other will be waived in hopes of getting them to hartford as a veteran down there

Or they may have to waive 2 of 3 and go with only 12 forwards on day 1. Even 700K would help offset the bonus cushion overage. Much of that will depend on what happens with the RFAs.

 

[Savant]

I agree to an extent, though tacking Laf or Kakko to Chytils wing may help him break out... Also, I think you have to try Laf with Ziba, with Lafs sweet, sweet hands I think Ziba will score so many goals.

It will definitely be interesting and I think it just cannot be understated how much better we got having number 13 on this team.

I think Laf eventually gets into the top line but I wouldn’t rush him there. That would help some of this fit together. Unless they is very clear chemistry from Chytil and Laf, I am staying far away from that. Maybe it helps both but it could also drag both down. I’ve honestly also only been impressed with Chytil when he has played with Kreider, so I would try to keep that together. Not to harp on about Fast but he helped some of these puzzle pieces fit together.