Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[Machinehead]

This is how I see ADA or anyone else on the left going: it's actually fantastic for a handful of games but then they're on the ice for a game-deciding goal against because Howden blew a coverage, and Quinn decides it was a disaster and never does it again.

 

[Machinehead]

Said it last season and I will say it again. Top priority needs to be finding a legit partner for Trouba. Nothing has changed that.

Lindgren?

I know we like him with Fox but Lindgren will attempt to play defense while Trouba is off being Trouba. Fox is more versatile and can probably work with a wider range of options.

 

[Savant]

Lindgren?

I know we like him with Fox but Lindgren will attempt to play defense while Trouba is off being Trouba. Fox is more versatile and can probably work with a wider range of options.

Don’t like it. I don’t want to risk making two pairings worse at once.

 

[Avery16]

Because he cant be on both sides of the ice at once. Think thats fairly obvious.

Then he's overpaid for what he can do.

 

[Avery16]

Bold prediction.

Schneider makes the team out of camp as 3RD.

In before TB scolds me.

You're right, that's bold.

 

[NYR]

I actually love the Schneider and Cuylle picks.

I was expecting this team to get some toughness through FA but still happy they acquired some balls through the draft.
It's been a long time coming..

 

[CasusBelli]

Lindgren?

I know we like him with Fox but Lindgren will attempt to play defense while Trouba is off being Trouba. Fox is more versatile and can probably work with a wider range of options.

That would be a good shutdown pair but a bit redundant and could expose other pairings defensively. I do like it as PK1 though.

 

[NYR]

Bold prediction.

Schneider makes the team out of camp as 3RD.

In before TB scolds me.

Not likely but would be a welcomed surprise..

 

[Machinehead]

That would be a good shutdown pair but a bit redundant and could expose other pairings defensively. I do like it as PK1 though.

Well I'm thinking this on the basis that Trouba is all offense because really, he is.

If he was 5'10" instead of 6'3" and nasty, people would view him exactly as they view Kevin Shattenkirk, honestly.

Big and nasty is a tool but it doesn't make you good defensively.

 

[NYR Viper]

How great would it be if Robertson and Reunanen make the team on the left side and all of these conversations are for naught.

Also, for people clamoring for a RD to be signed, Smith is capable of playing RD for a season if that spot opens up. Another reason to keep him around.

 

[NYR]

For 8M Trouba should be able to cover for ADA's deficiencies right?

That is beyond a ridiculous statement.
Every player has to cover their own real estate.
FWDS included otherwise it will NEVER work..

 

[Machinehead]

Matter of fact, the Rangers really love their big, dumb defensemen who should be able to defend but have no idea how. Moore, Skjei, Trouba. They started turning McDonagh into it too. It's habitual here.

I was hoping Martin would turn this around but pushing for Johnson, who is in the dictionary next to "big dumb defenseman," ain't a great start.

What are we gonna teach Miller when he gets here?

 

[NYR]

Matter of fact, the Rangers really love their big, dumb defensemen who should be able to defend but have no idea how. Moore, Skjei, Trouba. They started turning McDonagh into it too. It's habitual here.

I was hoping Martin would turn this around but pushing for Johnson, who is in the dictionary next to "big dumb defenseman," ain't a great start.

What are we gonna teach Miller when he gets here?

I got news for you.
No defenseman past or present will survive in this joke of a system.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Matter of fact, the Rangers really love their big, dumb defensemen who should be able to defend but have no idea how. Moore, Skjei, Trouba. They started turning McDonagh into it too. It's habitual here.

I was hoping Martin would turn this around but pushing for Johnson, who is in the dictionary next to "big dumb defenseman," ain't a great start.

What are we gonna teach Miller when he gets here?

To be fair, Skjei and Moore have always been that player.

 

[RGY]

How great would it be if Robertson and Reunanen make the team on the left side and all of these conversations are for naught.

Also, for people clamoring for a RD to be signed, Smith is capable of playing RD for a season if that spot opens up. Another reason to keep him around.

I don’t see both making it. I don’t want to rush Robertson. I know they liked his camp last year. But I think the 21-22 season or even 22-23 season is a better ETA for Robertson to make his push to the NHL. Mix a year in the AHL in there. I dont want to rush any of our D prospects tbh. Let them develop organically, succeeding at each level. I think we rushed Howden, Lias, Hajek, and even Chytil. Its the same reason I have reservations and skepticism with some people here penciling in Barron to the opening night lineup.

For me its Reunanen then Hajek for that other LD spot. Keeping DeAngelo on the right side.

And then as the season goes on and an opportunity presents itself to acquire a LD to upgrade Johnson then we make the move. But I think management is being cautious with how they approach the LD situation. Lindgren might be exposed to Seattle. If Reunanen plays great, you still have Hajek, Miller, and Robertson all possibly pushing over the next 3 years for maybe 1 spot, and thats if they dont acquire a Vince Dunn. Zac Jones too.

I would rather focus our efforts on 2C (1C-B options) and bottom 6 depth. Whether its a Monahan or an Eichel, or its a Boyle/Brassard/Granlund/C.Wilson/Haula/Thornton, thats what I think the best direction is to look into for this offseason.

 

[Machinehead]

To be fair, Skjei and Moore have always been that player.

This is true.

I got news for you.
No defenseman past or present will survive in this joke of a system.

Yeah, in a way, that's kind of the point.

Not that some of these guys were ever Gretzky in the brains department but we should be able to handle it better than we do.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Matter of fact, the Rangers really love their big, dumb defensemen who should be able to defend but have no idea how. Moore, Skjei, Trouba. They started turning McDonagh into it too. It's habitual here.

I was hoping Martin would turn this around but pushing for Johnson, who is in the dictionary next to "big dumb defenseman," ain't a great start.

What are we gonna teach Miller when he gets here?

Lol'd

 

[NYR]

This is true.


Yeah, in a way, that's kind of the point.

Not that some of these guys were ever Gretzky in the brains department but we should be able to handle it better than we do.

I'm just blown away that this is even an option..

 

[Machinehead]

Don't get me started on Ulf Samuelsson.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I have a really bad feeling about our defense. Our offense is perfectly adequate. We can win a championship with our offense. It’s our defense that’s killing us. We have some good pieces, but the system had been terrible. Jack Martin should be an improvement, but the push for JJ should be a red flag as tall as MSG. The left side is still a major concern, and it seems management is content with the personnel we have. The good-ish news is lefties are more common than righties, so finding LHDs theoretically shouldn’t be as difficult as finding RHDs, but it’s hard to have faith in the team with how we’ve treated free agency. It’s frustrating feeling like we’ve made lateral moves to our personnel rather than a real step forward.

 

[NYR]

Don't get me started on Ulf Samuelsson.

I loved Ulf as a player.
He was the shit lol

 

[Machinehead]

I loved Ulf as a player.
He was the shit lol

In Ulf's defense, the whole "f*** my position I'm just gonna kill somebody" was more effective in the 90's with less speed in the game. Nowadays, you get caught, and I feel like the Rangers still think it's the 90's in some ways.

 

[NYR]

In Ulf's defense, the whole "f*** my position I'm just gonna kill somebody" was more effective in the 90's with less speed in the game. Nowadays, you get caught, and I feel like the Rangers still think it's the 90's in some ways.

I think you might be selling him a little short.
He was very effective especially in his own end and around the net.
Would he be as effective today?
That's anyone's guess..

 

[Captain Monglobster]

I think you might be selling him a little short.
He was very effective especially in his own end and around the net.
Would he be as effective today?
That's anyone's guess..

As long as helmets can be pushed over eyes, he will still be effective.

 

[CasusBelli]

Well I'm thinking this on the basis that Trouba is all offense because really, he is.

If he was 5'10" instead of 6'3" and nasty, people would view him exactly as they view Kevin Shattenkirk, honestly.

Big and nasty is a tool but it doesn't make you good defensively.

But he could be molded into a crease clearing defenseman in his own zone. I’m thinking he could become something between Blake and Chara — in style, not level.