Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[TheBloodyNine]

It’s really not. Panarin is not a true leader. Strome and Smith both have one foot out the door. Buchnevich may not be far behind. You need more veteran stability especially when you consider that you may have as many of 10 players on ELCs next year. You just lost Stall, Lundqvist and Fast. That’s a lot of leadership out the door.

Whoa whoa whoa, wasn't the big cry around here to sign Panarin about needing veterans on the team to lead and insulate the young kids, and now he's not a leader? If Panarin isn't a leader at his price tag then we got problems.

 

[TominNC]

If you don’t plan to keep them then what difference does it make? And if you don’t plan on competing then you might as well tank. Bring up all the young guys, give them NHL experience, then look to 21-22 to start really competing. If you don’t expect to keep ADA, what benefit is there to having him? Same with Strome. You keep them if you plan on competing, but management seems to be writing this season off.

It's not two extremes. They can play to win games and get experience and development for the younger guys while realizing they don't have the experience yet to win it all. Tanking, not that they ever did that, it in the past.

 

[Spektre]

I’ve seen Dunn’s name floating around here a bit but realistically what would the Rangers be willing to part with?

The most attractive piece to me is Kravtsov but I don’t know how untouchable he is from the Rangers view.


I have seen D pairs on the Blues guessed at and for the record Scandella clicked with Parayko last year but with acquiring Krug and losing Pietrangelo anything is possible. Point being Berube felt comfortable with Scandella as a top 4 option.

The Blues have two left handed D prospects trying to make the roster in Perunovich and Mikkola and still have Gunnarsson as a 3rd pairing option

 

[Leetch3]

Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Panarin, Strome*, Trouba, Smith. That's a good amount right there. Plus any trade that happens is more likely to bring in a vet presence instead of a guy with little to no NHL experience.

not really sure how to address it but the biggest thing a lack in terms of veteran experience is playoff experience....kreider was part of those teams that went to the final 4 but he was extremely young then. If you look at those young penguins and hawks teams they had some good vets on that team.

a wily vet whose been threw the wars and can help teach a young team what it takes to win would be great...like I said no idea who might fit that role but it would be valuable after all the veteran leadership we've lost recently

 

[NYSPORTS]

It’s really not. Panarin is not a true leader. Strome and Smith both have one foot out the door. Buchnevich may not be far behind. You need more veteran stability especially when you consider that you may have as many of 10 players on ELCs next year. You just lost Stall, Lundqvist and Fast. That’s a lot of leadership out the door.

Laf is too young for C. Zibby may or may not resigned in a few years. Kreider would have been named already IMO, Trouba has a little Spicoli in him so he doesn’t get my vote. Not sure who the Captain or real leader is.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Chara would solve many problems.

Bruins fans feel he’s done.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I’ve seen Dunn’s name floating around here a bit but realistically what would the Rangers be willing to part with?

The most attractive piece to me is Kravtsov but I don’t know how untouchable he is from the Rangers view.


I have seen D pairs on the Blues guessed at and for the record Scandella clicked with Parayko last year but with acquiring Krug and losing Pietrangelo anything is possible. Point being Berube felt comfortable with Scandella as a top 4 option.

The Blues have two left handed D prospects trying to make the roster in Perunovich and Mikkola and still have Gunnarsson as a 3rd pairing option

I think Strome works

 

[Alluckks]

I’ve seen Dunn’s name floating around here a bit but realistically what would the Rangers be willing to part with?

The most attractive piece to me is Kravtsov but I don’t know how untouchable he is from the Rangers view.


I have seen D pairs on the Blues guessed at and for the record Scandella clicked with Parayko last year but with acquiring Krug and losing Pietrangelo anything is possible. Point being Berube felt comfortable with Scandella as a top 4 option.

The Blues have two left handed D prospects trying to make the roster in Perunovich and Mikkola and still have Gunnarsson as a 3rd pairing option

The Rangers would not be moving Kravstov for Dunn

Kravstov was a 9th overall pick and has performed at that valuation and is close to being NHL roster ready.

Would Dunn have gotten the 9th overall pick in this draft? No. So, he wouldn't get one that has progressed well from a recent draft, and retained that 9th overall value or better, either.

It would likely be something combination of pieces around Strome, Lemiuex, Howden, Gauthier, and/or lesser tier prospects/picks.

I could see someone like Hunter Skinner, Lauri Pajuniemi, Libor Hajek as all guys that could be involved in a trade. Possibly even better prospects like Zac Jones or Karl Henriksson as well.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

They aren't writing anything off. IT'S A PROCESS. The season hasn't even started yet.

If you're signing and playing JJ, that's writing off your sesaon.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’ve seen Dunn’s name floating around here a bit but realistically what would the Rangers be willing to part with?

The most attractive piece to me is Kravtsov but I don’t know how untouchable he is from the Rangers view.


I have seen D pairs on the Blues guessed at and for the record Scandella clicked with Parayko last year but with acquiring Krug and losing Pietrangelo anything is possible. Point being Berube felt comfortable with Scandella as a top 4 option.

The Blues have two left handed D prospects trying to make the roster in Perunovich and Mikkola and still have Gunnarsson as a 3rd pairing option

I think the most realistic trade available would be something around Buch+ for Dunn+

 

[MysticLeviathan]

yes because the only 2 options are to go for it in win now mode and tanking...its definitely not possible for a young team to build and get better year over year.

I mean if you're not in first, you're in last. You can still get your young players experience even if you're an abysmal team. That's why it was so crucial for them to lose against Carolina, which I openly advocated for them to do and my post history shows it. They had a far, FAR greater chance of landing 1st overall than winning the Cup. And even if they had won against Carolina and didn't win the Cup, they still would've had a far better draft pick even if it were only at #13. The last thing you want to do is be good enough to be in the playoffs, but not good enough to seriously compete. At least if you're terrible you get good draft pick and are eligible for the lottery.

 

[Alluckks]

I think the most realistic trade available would be something around Buch+ for Dunn+

Rangers wouldn't trade their best RW with the way that their current depth is set up.

 

[Alluckks]

If the Rangers were to acquire Dunn, he does need expansion protection. Would put us over a barrel with our current D. We would need to have another trade lined up to move ADA. It doesn't seem like a good market for ADA has manifested though. That could change with Pietro signing, but we'll see.

Ideally:
Move ADA for a similar age and upside C or RW.
Move Strome for a Zuccarello-like return.
Trade mid tier prospects and maybe a pick for Dunn.

We could see a different ADA kind of move though, maybe a young player that is more of a 3C right now, plus a 1st round pick. 1st rounders can be used as currency in future trades, as we saw Gorton do with the Trouba trade.

 

[n8]

A 3rd, Schmidt and Stasny for Pietrangelo. Not sure I make that deal.

technically Schmidt, Statsny, and a brick of your cap for a 3rd + Pietroangelo.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

It's not two extremes. They can play to win games and get experience and development for the younger guys while realizing they don't have the experience yet to win it all. Tanking, not that they ever did that, it in the past.

What's the point? The point is to build a team to win not just one championship, but multiple championships, and this team has the foundation to at the very least be extremely competitive for multiple years in a row.

I can sympathize if they're still weighing whether or not they want to keep ADA and Strome long term, but it definitely seems like they plan on moving on from them at some point in the near future. So why keep them? You can grow and be terrible. You can get experience and be terrible. You don't think those 3 games they lost against Carolina was a huge help for guys like Kakko and Chytil? The team was terrible, but it was a great learning experience for the young guys If you want to compete, then you shouldn't be playing JackMFJohnson. Even as a 7D he's f***ing terrible, and there were so many options the Rangers could've gone for, even if only with a 1 year deal.

Rangers need to build a foundation that they can compete with, but they need to balance the cap. I'm not a fan of writing off this year just because of our cap woes, but that's what management seems to be doing. I mean that's fine, but then actually write off the season. Play Lundkvist, play Miller, play Kravstov. Get them NHL experience. Even if they're terrible, give them a taste of the big show and possibly move them up and down from Hartford. Make the serious push when you're ready. Half ass measures do nothing. Commit to either continuing the rebuild either one more year or take a serious shot at the Cup. Unfortunately, with the moves they made, the latter is out of the question. So what are they planning on doing this year to set up for the long term? They've yet to make a single 3+ year move outside of the players acquired during the draft. Staal and Hank moves are 2 year moves, the contracts we signed were all 1-2 years. What is the big plan?

 

[Alluckks]

What about ADA for Brock Boeser?


Strome on a 1 year deal, possibly deadline dealt?
Howden+Hajek for Dunn or something like that (D market for sellers is down, Dunn is odd man out there both for expansion and with Krug filling his role but better now, Rangers have been connected via our insiders)

Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Boeser
Laf Chytil Kakko
Lemiuex Barron Gauthier
--> Laf, Kakko, and Barron exempt from expansion, let Strome walk or trade him, choose Lemmy and Gauthier for protection

Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Who knows
--> Fox exempt

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If you're signing and playing JJ, that's writing off your sesaon.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What about ADA for Brock Boeser?


Strome on a 1 year deal, possibly deadline dealt?
Howden+Hajek for Dunn or something like that (D market for sellers is down, Dunn is odd man out there both for expansion and with Krug filling his role but better now, Rangers have been connected via our insiders)

Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Boeser
Laf Chytil Kakko
Lemiuex Barron Gauthier
--> Laf, Kakko, and Barron exempt from expansion, let Strome walk or trade him, choose Lemmy and Gauthier for protection

Dunn Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Who knows
--> Fox exempt

I think it’s an interesting trade, but I’d probably pass due to Boeser’s injury history.

 

[bobbop]

Whoa whoa whoa, wasn't the big cry around here to sign Panarin about needing veterans on the team to lead and insulate the young kids, and now he's not a leader? If Panarin isn't a leader at his price tag then we got problems.

Panarin was signed as elite. He's a great team player but his English is lousy and that's a big hurdle. He's more than fine at his price tag. The most expensive players aren't always the best leaders.

 

[426ers]

Has anyone heard about the NHL reducing the number of games being played before the season starts?. If the NHL decides to shorten the season, let's say from 82 games to 55-60. There is no way we will come close to having to pay the bonuses for all the ELC contracts. This would drastically change the cap structure for the Rangers and allow for more moves and other options.

 

[Heckler81]

It's not two extremes. They can play to win games and get experience and development for the younger guys while realizing they don't have the experience yet to win it all. Tanking, not that they ever did that, it in the past.

Panarin is a producer and not a leader. He’s here to put up points and his personality gels well with the team. Panarin seems like the easy going type and not captain material. I think we saw it in the play in playoffs. Him and Zibby were a big part on why it seemed like the team wasn’t ready to play against Carolina.

I think Lafreniere has the “IT” factor and hopefully he turns into a captain in the mold of a Messier.

We need a leader that can keep the team focused.

*I needed to make an edit. I don’t think Lafreniere is ready to be a captain until He has been in the league for like 3 years. I would make Kreider the captain for the time being because he’s vocal.

 

[smoneil]

Whoa whoa whoa, wasn't the big cry around here to sign Panarin about needing veterans on the team to lead and insulate the young kids, and now he's not a leader? If Panarin isn't a leader at his price tag then we got problems.

That wasn't the big cry at all. Those of us in favor of signing Panarin wanted the team to stay competitive from game to game and not become a bottom feeder. It was about avoiding a losing culture more than anything about individual leadership traits.

To be clear, I don't have the faintest idea whether Panarin is a good leader or not. I just know that wasn't really a consideration in my (or many other people's, based on their posts last year) desire to get him on the team.

As long as he scores, I don't really care if he leads or not. I would like him to stop doing that high kick celebration though. It scares the hell out of my ACL every time I see him do it.

 

[egelband]

Has anyone heard about the NHL reducing the number of games being played before the season starts?. If the NHL decides to shorten the season, let's say from 82 games to 55-60. There is no way we will come close to having to pay the bonuses for all the ELC contracts. This would drastically change the cap structure for the Rangers and allow for more moves and other options.

I assume they’d pro-rate the metrics. Though they might also pro-rate the remuneration, too.

 

[426ers]

I assume they’d pro-rate the metrics. Though they might also pro-rate the remuneration, too.

Thanks, it was just something I thought about and found interesting.

 

[Waivers]

You guys are talking about veterans and the Rangers let Fast walk for 2M AAV for 3 years, it’s insane. It’s exactly what the Rangers needed in their bottom 6.