Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXV

[MetalJaws]

Is an ADA + trade for LHD/2C still likely to happen? Do we feel this is still the direction of management to get something done?

 

[gravey9]

Here's a point that's been overlooked re: off-season moves. Everyone is focusing on the very glaring needs at C and LD. But with the addition of Laf to guys like Zib, Panarin, Kakko, Chytil, Fox -- I think the team is going to bring in an enforcer. And focus on grit a bit. The draft hinted at what they see as a big problem down the road and right now. Not only do they think we need to be hard to play against. But with all the big time talent on the roster, we need to make sure we can protect them, esp if we make the playoffs.

Keep in mind, the thing that makes Laf a little diff than most of our forwards, he will force his way inside. He won't shy away. He will take abuse. He will cause some scrums as a result. I think a guy who can throw down will be added to the roster whether we like it or not.

 

[Kovalev27]

thats going in looking to fail. What happens if it doesn't work?

There's nothing stopping Chytil playing with good wingers, even with Cirelli on the team. If he can then learn or imitate what/how Zibs and Cirelli play the game, that'd be even better.

do you really want to go back into all the reasons Chytil is poised to take the next step again? We’ve only done it like every other week for the last 6 months

 

[Kovalev27]

Koivu if he wants to play we’ve discussed would be another really good stop gap Option for 3C/4C as well

 

[Minmonster]

id give Fast that money but not Namestikov who stunk here.

I disagree with this. He just didn’t preform at the level of expectation we had after trading Miller. He was still a useful player and probably a guy that would be a good 3c at a cheap cap price. Better than a lot of the rfas that have been brought up.

 

[RGY]

Koivu or Boyle for 4C and slide Howden to wing or include him in a package for a LD or 2C

 

[RangersFan1994]

Here's a point that's been overlooked re: off-season moves. Everyone is focusing on the very glaring needs at C and LD. But with the addition of Laf to guys like Zib, Panarin, Kakko, Chytil, Fox -- I think the team is going to bring in an enforcer. And focus on grit a bit. The draft hinted at what they see as a big problem down the road and right now. Not only do they think we need to be hard to play against. But with all the big time talent on the roster, we need to make sure we can protect them, esp if we make the playoffs.

Keep in mind, the thing that makes Laf a little diff than most of our forwards, he will force his way inside. He won't shy away. He will take abuse. He will cause some scrums as a result. I think a guy who can throw down will be added to the roster whether we like it or not.

I can't wait for Rangers fans to cry because a skilled guy like Laf will drop the gloves. I guess they did not remember guys like Graves Messier and Lindros (flyers version lol)

 

[RangersFan1994]

I disagree with this. He just didn’t preform at the level of expectation we had after trading Miller. He was still a useful player and probably a guy that would be a good 3c at a cheap cap price. Better than a lot of the rfas that have been brought up.

he was better in Tampa and looked lost in NYR. he was better on the AVS

 

[Kocur Dill]

Pending UFA Mikko Koivu: 'I want to play' - TSN.ca

could he still be an option. Kakko would learn alot from this fellow finn.

Interested at the right price.

Hypothetically, if you could get him for 2 years at the same cost or less than Strome. Now you have a more defensive inclined center who still has enough offensive talent in him to feed Panarin/Kakko and you dont need Fast or his cap hit to insulate the Panarin/Stome line.

So. In essence you could dump Strome for other assets and comfortably let Fast walk and save cap there and change the dynamic of Panarins line plus get Kakko onto the top 6 without worrying too much about his defensive effort.

There is an upside to Koivu regardless of age.

At the right price though.

 

[Kovalev27]

What if the Rangers did this until it’s time prob mid season to trade Buchy and replace with Kravtsov

LafreNYR Zibanejad Kreider
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Barron Wennberg Buchnevich
Lemieux Howden Gauthier

lot of balance there imo

oh and Barron will be making this team

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Morrissey was almost a .5 Pts/GP D this season.

And just because he can score at that pace changes the fact that he himself is one of the best shutdown defenders in the league?

Your arguement is what? That deangelo scores more? That doesnt change the fact that he cant play defense and is NOT a top pairing defender. Top pairing defenders can do BOTH

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What if the Rangers did this until it’s time prob mid season to trade Buchy and replace with Kravtsov

LafreNYR Zibanejad Kreider
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Barron Wennberg Buchnevich
Lemieux Howden Gauthier

lot of balance there imo

oh and Barron will be making this team

I'd feel MUCH better if we had a bit more bite, but I suppose thats on the way.

Certainly a bigger team than it was last year though.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Count me in for Turris. Spare me the comments about his shortcomings. I know what I'm getting into when I bargain bin shop. Some of you want a flawless, productive, wart-free replacement on a bargain contract.

It's a gamble. He's a guy that can do well in the right situation. At the price he'll come in on I'll take a shot.

Wennberg would probably be a better fit. Strome and Chytil can flip flop on center and the other can help with the right wing depth.

 

[Kovalev27]

I'd feel MUCH better if we had a bit more bite, but I suppose thats on the way.

Certainly a bigger team than it was last year though.

agreed

wennberg Barron and Lafreniere are no slouches that’s for sure big kids

 

[Kords]

Of all the FA options I have seen floated for 2c, I would prefer to stay with Strome for the time being, but there are obviously other moves that would have to be made to make that work first. Wennberg as a 3c is interesting for the right price. I am a big fan of Chytil's and hope he can take the 2c spot in the near future, but his FO record is holding him back big time. It doesn't get talked about enough, but he can't win a faceoff to save his life. I swear, always chasing the puck amplified Kakko's defensive deficiencies and had a big part to play in his struggles to contribute.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Nick Cousins would be an excellent pickup, as would Craig Smith if the price is within a reasonable amount.

 

[Mikos87]

I would do it. 2 million, 1 year 3C.

I would too. He'd make a great mentor for Kakko. The Rangers have cap space, they can give him more than that one a year deal if need be. It'll be interesting to see if they get him. I thought guys like Richie and MSL didn't have enough time to let their bodies recover during their olden days with the Rangers. With the rules being freed up for geezer runs in the playoffs, I'd like to see teams get creative about their player deployment to put their older guys through a load management program.

That way you get your call-ups in, you can reward the minor leaguers for good play while resting a guy who may not be able to play 4 games in 9 nights without seeing a dip in performance.

Obviously the prideful athlete needs to go along with this, but perhaps some guys feel differently about it. Because big centers who can check are good playoff assets. Jordan Staal is overpaid... but Jordan Staal is a very effective player. Koivu isn't too far away from that imo. But the wheels aren't the same... in other words, he wouldn't fit in with Alain's system. But with in a right fit system, he's a very good player imo.

 

[gravey9]

I can't wait for Rangers fans to cry because a skilled guy like Laf will drop the gloves. I guess they did not remember guys like Graves Messier and Lindros (flyers version lol)

Sure, but think about all the other tough guys that were also on the teams of that era... Kocur, Hartman, Kypreos, Langdon, Wells, Beuk. Mess could be Mess because he had 5 other guys behind him that could take care of biz.

This is a very diff era. You don't need 5 deep tough guys. But you might want someone who is going to get in the face of Tom Wilson and Matt Tkachuk, etc.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Definitely the former. Melnyk wants to run a $0 hockey team.

DuClair has moved around a lot so not sure. That price is extremely low for even Ottawa.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Stastny
McNabb
Holden
Reaves
Fleury

Those are the guys I could see Vegas looking to move for cap space

Tuch for sure if they need to make a move to bring in a RD. Honestly, the Rangers could use McNabb and Reaves for a couple of seasons...

I get the want for Reaves but I don't see Vegas giving him up. It's not a big ticket and he is important in that room.

I've been saying Stastny and McNabb could be part of an ADA package. Krebs/glass with us adding a b prospect. Strome instead?

 

[True Blue]

What if the Rangers did this until it’s time prob mid season to trade Buchy and replace with Kravtsov

LafreNYR Zibanejad Kreider
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Barron Wennberg Buchnevich
Lemieux Howden Gauthier

lot of balance there imo

oh and Barron will be making this team

Can we actually wait for Kravstov to play one single second of NHL time before we deem him ready to replace a player who have you top line production last year? Same with Barron. You HOPE that the third line role, you have no idea if he is even ready to play in the NHL. He should also be able to beat out a Lemieux, instead of planning on it?

Also, there is absolutely any guarantee that Kreider can switch wings?

Lastly, before you actually have Kakko leapfrog Buchnevich, can he actually outperform him in camp?

 

[bleedblue94]

Can’t be that common that a player represent himself as Duclair have chosen to do?
Duclair of Senators among players not receiving qualifying offers

Backstrom did it in washington but no it's not super common

 

[Avery16]

And just because he can score at that pace changes the fact that he himself is one of the best shutdown defenders in the league?

Your arguement is what? That deangelo scores more? That doesnt change the fact that he cant play defense and is NOT a top pairing defender. Top pairing defenders can do BOTH

Ok, but we have Deangelo and we do not have Morrissey.

I don’t get your suggestion that a Deangelo/Trouba pairing can’t do well. Why? Deangelo was able to do very well even while paired with Staal. Trouba did fine though paired with Smith.

It doesn’t make any sense that if paired together somehow one or both will start sucking. If that’s the case, then they aren’t worth their contracts (future, in Deangelo’s case).

 

[duhmetreE]

do you really want to go back into all the reasons Chytil is poised to take the next step again? We’ve only done it like every other week for the last 6 months

That's all you got out of that?

He could be center and have less pressure/develop with Cirelli. I dont see the problem.

Things are not given, they're earned. Up to this point, no matter how many reasons you list, he has not earned it. If he comes into camp, and earns it. GREAT. We're now stacked at Center. I dont understand the issue?

 

[eco's bones]

Here's a point that's been overlooked re: off-season moves. Everyone is focusing on the very glaring needs at C and LD. But with the addition of Laf to guys like Zib, Panarin, Kakko, Chytil, Fox -- I think the team is going to bring in an enforcer. And focus on grit a bit. The draft hinted at what they see as a big problem down the road and right now. Not only do they think we need to be hard to play against. But with all the big time talent on the roster, we need to make sure we can protect them, esp if we make the playoffs.

Keep in mind, the thing that makes Laf a little diff than most of our forwards, he will force his way inside. He won't shy away. He will take abuse. He will cause some scrums as a result. I think a guy who can throw down will be added to the roster whether we like it or not.

I could see this happening too. I just don't know who that player will be. I have a feeling that our games with the Islanders for the next several years are going to boil over again and again and that Lafreniere may become a regular target for them.