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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXIX

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Pretty happy we came in way below 10 million on both ADA/Strome and the latter can be exposed if necssary. Or hey if he puts up 60-70 points maybe even garner an asset for him.
At the same time Chytil can still get chances this year with superior linemates (Lafrenier or Kreider or Kakko, etc)
 
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Hopefully Gorton is smart enough to trade him the second he gets a decent offer for him. Unfortunately, that may never happen. I would have taken a one year deal or just let him walk.
 
JohnC said:
I'm fine with the contract except for this detail. Strome stapled to the wall on PP1 was maybe the single worst coaching move the team made last year.
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Better not happen this year. IMO Kakko would be a pp beast if he gets first unit time and not just the final 20 second mop up time on the second unit.
 
Avery16 said:
You're overvaluing the return on Strome at 4.5 AAV.
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Tough call right now and you may be right but if he puts up 60-70 points next year maybe Seattle takes the bait?
Putting up those kind of numbers two years in a row is not an easy thing in this league to overlook.
 
RGY said:
$4, $4.25 to $4.5 major difference there...

And I still believe Strome wouldnt get $4.5 on the open market right now. But it doesnt matter, we didnt get to an arbitration award for them to walk away from. I still believe that money could have better been spent on other players. They decided to extend him. It isnt the end of the world. As others have mentioned, he is a candidate to be exposed to Seattle. They could also move him.

Keep patting yourself on the back.
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You said..."$4.5 or more and I am walking away from Strome. You can better spend that money elsewhere and even save some possibly."
Now you are saying
"Would have preferred $4.0-$4.25 range. $4.5 is tolerable. 2 years could help with trade value at the deadline if he has another productive year next to Panarin."
 
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Kovalev27 said:
The worst part of this is Strome entrenched on Right wall of PP1 while Lafrenière and Kakko watch
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Maybe initially, and I don't see too much of an issue with that. Let the young guys get time, especially Lafreniere, since he is just joining the league. He'll get onto PP1 before all is said and done. Kakko also needs to come in to camp and win that spot of the bat if he wants it. If anything, it could eventually be his job to either be the bumper or the net front on PP1. Good hands in close, as we have seen in the World Championships and the small NHL sample he has.

Also, that is possibly the only spot on the PP available. DeAngelo, Zibanejad, and Panarin are entrenched on PP1 as of now. Maybe Kreider's role as a net front could be up for debate (which he is one of the best at), but that unit is pretty much set.
 
KreiderBomb said:
You said..."$4.5 or more and I am walking away from Strome. You can better spend that money elsewhere and even save some possibly."
Now you are saying
"Would have preferred $4.0-$4.25 range. $4.5 is tolerable. 2 years could help with trade value at the deadline if he has another productive year next to Panarin."
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Again what is so hard for you about this? Yes I will break it down for your simple mind. Yes I would have walked away from a $4.5 AAV award and I had followed it up with because I feel they could better spend the money elsewhere on the short term and save. But that doesn’t mean $4.5 isn’t tolerable in the short term. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. I still would have preferred the lower range of $4.0-$4.25. The extra $250k is not what I wanted but on a 2 year deal is again tolerable. And as others have mentioned, he likely only got to the $4.5 because of the 2nd year. Otherwise, a one year deal might have been in the lower range. And I still feel he may have only gotten $4 AAV with how volatile the market is. But you continue to twist this however you like to make you feel better. Context is usually important, but on these boards not so much when people just want to scream ‘I was right’ more than having a back and forth discussion.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Maybe initially, and I don't see too much of an issue with that. Let the young guys get time, especially Lafreniere, since he is just joining the league. He'll get onto PP1 before all is said and done. Kakko also needs to come in to camp and win that spot of the bat if he wants it. If anything, it could eventually be his job to either be the bumper or the net front on PP1. Good hands in close, as we have seen in the World Championships and the small NHL sample he has.

Also, that is possibly the only spot on the PP available. DeAngelo, Zibanejad, and Panarin are entrenched on PP1 as of now. Maybe Kreider's role as a net front could be up for debate (which he is one of the best at), but that unit is pretty much set.
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Honestly i think Strome could be the center on the 2nd unit by years end as we need a righty there and less righties on the first unit. I think Lafreniere steals that #1 pp spot from Kakko by seasons end too. All just my opinion
 
bl02 said:
Tough call right now and you may be right but if he puts up 60-70 points next year maybe Seattle takes the bait?
Putting up those kind of numbers two years in a row is not an easy thing in this league to overlook.
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They’ll have better options, I think, and they will not be cap-exempt. Strome will always have an asterisk next to his points totals so long as he’s on Panarin’s line.
 
Loki Dog 74 said:
Strome handled the Rangers. They wanted to move him (or at least very actively explored it). They clearly didn’t want to give him this kind of money. He wouldn’t cave on lower offers, put in a high arbitration request and on the morning of the case, the Rangers knew there was a possibility he’d get awarded an even higher number, and while they could walk away, they would have a hole to fill, so the Rangers caved. Well played by Strome’s side.

4.5M isn’t bad for what Strome did last year, even though I feel his production is something of a paper tiger and even at 65 points he’s a lacking player. Reminds me of PA Parenteau. But regardless, 4.5M isn’t terrible. I am hoping we are able to upgrade and move on before the second year. I also think Strome would have struggled to find even 4x1 if he’d hit the open market.
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I don't see this situation as you're describing it as in Strome "handled" the Rangers. I think the sweet spot was always in this mid $4s to $5m range.

A couple of things:

1. Rangers could've simply waited to see what would've come via arbitration - if they had a STRONG preference for only a one-year contract
2. If Strome continue to play well with Panarin then at $4.5m it is still a good value for 50+ and especially for 60+ ppg player, defensive warts, penalties and all
3. 2-year contract and Strome's ability to play C and W allows the team to hedge not only Chytil's development but also a situation on a wing if the Rangers were to forced to move Buchnevich and Kravtsov is not fully ready to be a permanent fixture in top-6. Again at $4.5m - it's good deal
 
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RGY said:
Again what is so hard for you about this? Yes I will break it down for your simple mind. Yes I would have walked away from a $4.5 AAV award and I had followed it up with because I feel they could better spend the money elsewhere on the short term and save. But that doesn’t mean $4.5 isn’t tolerable in the short term. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. I still would have preferred the lower range of $4.0-$4.25. The extra $250k is not what I wanted but on a 2 year deal is again tolerable. And as others have mentioned, he likely only got to the $4.5 because of the 2nd year. Otherwise, a one year deal might have been in the lower range. And I still feel he may have only gotten $4 AAV with how volatile the market is. But you continue to twist this however you like to make you feel better. Context is usually important, but on these boards not so much when people just want to scream ‘I was right’ more than having a back and forth discussion.
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Yup you keep telling yourself that flip flopper.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I audibly went 'ack" out loud seeing Strome's deal

There was no reason to go two years.

Desperately trying to move him to handing him a two year deal in a few weeks time, the Jeff Gorton special.
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This gives Gorton another off-season and (2) trade deadlines to trade Strome AND it provides insurance and insulation for a young guy like Chytil to grow at his own pace. Also it provides another player to be exposed to Seattle. I'd say 2 years is kind of ideal honestly.
 
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NYR Viper said:
This gives Gorton another off-season and (2) trade deadlines to trade Strome AND it provides insurance and insulation for a young guy like Chytil to grow at his own pace. Also it provides another player to be exposed to Seattle. I'd say 2 years is kind of ideal honestly.
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You're more hopeful than I am haha

I hope he's exposed but I'm not holding my breath. If he has another good season they're absolutely going to protect him
 
Also I'm still just blown away by the front office's decision to bring back the same damn team minus Lafreniere and not even attempt to address the team's issues that actually did them in last year.

They clearly don't care too much about this upcoming year, that's the only explanation that make sense
 
This contract is also extremely similar to the Namestnikov and Spooner contracts. They were both moved, Spooner for Strome.

I do not think this is more than a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year to either expose to Seattle or trade after this season is over.
 
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