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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXIX

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UnSandvich said:
Clearly we are watching two different players then, is all I can say. Or maybe 4, given whatever it is you clearly see in Strome.
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Clearly..

I am watching a player that on his own was pacing to 43 points as a Ranger. Then when elevated to play with a superstar, grew to a 70 point player. So there is an easy stop gap that you KNOW works. And then there is Chytil. A player who we all hope and believe will take the next step. But is still only 20 and from his body of work, does not appear ready.

Also, when did it become a derangement syndrome to believe that a 20 year old is not ready for the spotlight? Just curious.
 
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At this point I think it's evident the only reasonable option we have here with Strome is a sign and trade where we attach Kakko and Lafrenière to part ways with Mr. Ryan.
 
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aufheben said:
I feel like people have already explained why it isn’t.
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I am not sure why my post was deleted. It was absolutely nothing inflammatory. It was actually pretty factual citing past examples of the arrogance some have around here.

But that person is doubling down. Must be Jeff Gorton himself.
 
n8 said:
even if he gets a $5.7M arbitration ruling?
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He won't, he asked for a 5.7 knowing full well he isn't getting it, he goes high, they go low, most times these things fall in the middle somewhere. I think it will land between 4.5 and 5. Been saying it all along that Strome and Deangelo would cost us around 10 mill between them. The Deangelo contract is good, i expect this to be similar. Splitting the difference between the offers lands it at 4.65.
 
KreiderBomb said:
He won't, he asked for a 5.7 knowing full well he isn't getting it, he goes high, they go low, most times these things fall in the middle somewhere. I think it will land between 4.5 and 5. Been saying it all along that Strome and Deangelo would cost us around 10 mill between them. The Deangelo contract is good, i expect this to be similar. Splitting the difference between the offers lands it at 4.65.
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Theres a big difference between being the third highest-scoring D in the league and…being Ryan Strome. He's not worth 5. He's not worth 4.6. He's not worth 4.2. He's not worth 4.

3.6 for a year is still a risk. At least at that number he could maybe get flipped.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
He won't, he asked for a 5.7 knowing full well he isn't getting it, he goes high, they go low, most times these things fall in the middle somewhere. I think it will land between 4.5 and 5. Been saying it all along that Strome and Deangelo would cost us around 10 mill between them. The Deangelo contract is good, i expect this to be similar. Splitting the difference between the offers lands it at 4.65.
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That's a number the Rangers can walk away from.
 
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Avery16 said:
Theres a big difference between being the third highest-scoring D in the league and…being Ryan Strome. He's not worth 5. He's not worth 4.6. He's not worth 4.2. He's not worth 4. 3.6 for a year is still a risk. At least at that number he could maybe get flipped.
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I get a kick out of people that defend deangelo and crap all over strome when they are exactly the same player in different positions. An offensive forward vs a offensive defenseman, both questionable in the defensive end(its more of an issue with a dman), both take some bad penalties, both benefitted from playing with offensive players. Its actually quite funny.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
I get a kick out of people that defend deangelo and crap all over strome when they are exactly the same player in different positions. An offensive forward vs a offensive defenseman, both questionable in the defensive end(its more of an issue with a dman), both take some bad penalties, both benefitted from playing with offensive players. Its actually quite funny.
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I am for insulating Chytil another year and keeping a pretty good thing with Strome/Panarin (for reasonable price) but 1,000 times out of a 1,000 I wouldn't blink an eye keeping ADA over Strome if it came to it and that's even with RD being a position and Center ice not as strong. Not to mention ADA can be super dynamic on this pp next year.
 
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Avery16 said:
Theres a big difference between being the third highest-scoring D in the league and…being Ryan Strome. He's not worth 5. He's not worth 4.6. He's not worth 4.2. He's not worth 4.

3.6 for a year is still a risk. At least at that number he could maybe get flipped.
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I think at 4-4.5 he should be here next year. I'm not super high on Soderberg/Granlund/Haula but I would take one of them if Strome wants over lets say 4.75. They certainly would be .5-.6 ppg players playing on any of our top 3 lines.
 
bl02 said:
I am for insulating Chytil another year and keeping a pretty good thing with Strome/Panarin (for reasonable price) but 1,000 times out of a 1,000 I wouldn't blink an eye keeping ADA over Strome if it came to it and that's even with RD being a position and Center ice not as strong. Not to mention ADA can be super dynamic on this pp next year.
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Thing is, Strome is barely a Center... and that is just by default because he certainly does not exemplify the desired qualities out of a Center. While DeAngelo is absolutely a RD, even if his defensive play is just as suspect as Strome, just in different capacities and through different lenses. DeAngelo has way more offensive talent. He drives possession more. As a defenseman, he starts a lot of the transition game from his own end, with either a great outlet pass or using his legs to skate the puck out. Strome doesnt do that. Panarin drives the possession when in the offensive zone and neutral zone. Its been said time and time again, Strome’s numbers are below average away from Panarin, extremely mediocre. And lastly, DeAngelo QBs the PP as a Right Handed Shot on defense.

The comparison is really not close at all.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
They won't
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Is that you Jeff! I mean why wouldn’t they walk from anything over 4.5? He’s not going to likely even get 3.6...no one has space and other UFAs are sitting around

If Strome clearly isn’t part of their long term plan why not just sign Haula for like 3 per
 
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Odds are of course overwhelming that Strome will be here when season starts. If for no other reason just for the fact that in the NHL with the risk adverse GMs we have, of players that are rumored to be traded, like 95% aren't.

But at the same time, we shouldn't underestimate the uncertainty out there. Will there be a season? Will there be people in the stands? How much does the NHL teams have to pay to the players? The deal struck doesn't look super good if the season is shortened and/or there are no gate incomes.

If Gorton foresee some GMs desperately looking to shed money to avoid being forced to declare franchises bankrupt come spring 2021 -- paying Strome 4-5m might block a lot of great trades. Who knows.
 
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Vitto79 said:
Is that you Jeff! I mean why wouldn’t they walk from anything over 4.5? He’s not going to likely even get 3.6...no one has space and other UFAs are sitting around

If Strome clearly isn’t part of their long term plan why not just sign Haula for like 3 per
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Because it's a gamble they won't take in a critical year of the franchise for a couple hundred thousand of cap space they dont need.
 
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