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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXIX

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's tough to find a guy we can really compare Strome to but Brassard comes to mind.

- High draft pick
- Underwhelming career until he came to the Rangers
- Had sort of a resurgence after the trade
- 1 RFA year left at age 26 (July 1st)
- Signed a contract going from 5.6 CH% to 7.25 CH%

I haven't really compared their underlying numbers so forgive me, but if we go by this comparison, and assume 7.25% for Strome, that would come down to 5.9m

I doubt he gets that, but it just goes to show you that what Strome is asking for isn't that crazy assuming it's a long-term deal.
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There are some commonalities, but put Brassard on Panarin’s line and that comparable spontaneously combusts.
 
One Winged Angel said:
I don’t think any sane Ranger fan should. If he’s going to give you 50-60 point production as a 2C and has good chemistry with your elite franchise player, you take that and run.
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Absolutely. And the nice thing here is, let’s say Chytil does eventually earn that 2C position this season — Gorton has a tradable asset in Strome.
 
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NYRFANMANI said:
How so!? That 900k is rather negligible if push comes to shove.

Strome at 4.5 seems totally reasonable imo, as a contract for us and as tradable contract. Totally fair price.
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Take a look around. Most teams, including us, are having a tough go of fitting their own players under the cap. What team is taking Strome at 4.5 without us taking back some salary or adding something?
 
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Avery16 said:
Take a look around. Most teams, including us, are having a tough go of fitting their own players under the cap. What team is taking Strome at 4.5 without us taking back some salary or adding something?
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None, but it's gonna be a short-term deal anyhow, so retaining is gonna be the way it'll go down (as Kupo already mentioned).

Way more importantly, where is the issue really?

Also you are acting like Strome is f***ing Stu Bickel or something. Strome really is worth around that 4.5 I'd argue and there should be no problem dealing Strome.
 
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NYRFANMANI said:
None, but it's gonna be a short-term deal anyhow, so retaining is gonna be the way it'll go down (as Kupo already mentioned).

Way more importantly were is the issue really?

Also you are acting like Strome is f***ing Stu Bickel or something. Strome really is worth around that 4.5 I'd argue and there should be no problem dealing Strome.
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Bro we couldn’t even get a good return on him on his current 3.1 at the draft. Wake up from this fantasy that Strome is a 2C on any other line but Panarin’s or Tavares’s
 
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NYR Viper said:
So, let's play this scenario out:

The Rangers sign Strome for $4.5m.

The Rangers trade Strome for a 2nd '21 while retaining $1m of his salary.

The Rangers just got a 2nd '21 for $1m

I'll take that trade in lieu of losing him for nothing...
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Now let’s imagine the players we can’t call up or sign because we’re up against the cap. Is it also worth a 2nd to delay Kravstov’s development?
 
Well Mantha just got 5.7M. He has 82 goals and 170 points in 250 games over the past 4 years. 56 point per 82 pace. 27 goal per 82. He’s also 6’5 230+

Strome has 63 goals and 158 points in 302 games over that exact same span. 43 point per 82 pace. 17 goals per 82.


Strome is one year older, much smaller and more one dimensional, and has averaged 13 less points and 10 less goals over the past 4 years (per 82). He’s also never broken 20 goals, while Mantha has paced for over 25 in every year he’s played.

Strome looking for 5.7M and Mantha getting 5.7M would suggest to me that Strome believes he’s that ballpark of caliber player (yes, I know, you come in high with your ask in arbitration...). I wonder what the reaction would be if we tried to trade Strome to Detroit 1 for 1.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
Well Mantha just got 5.7M. He has 82 goals and 170 points in 250 games over the past 4 years. 56 point per 82 pace. 27 goal per 82. He’s also 6’5 230+

Strome has 63 goals and 158 points in 302 games over that exact same span. 43 point per 82 pace. 17 goals per 82.


Strome is one year older, much smaller and more one dimensional, and has averaged 13 less points and 10 less goals over the past 4 years (per 82). He’s also never broken 20 goals, while Mantha has paced for over 25 in every year he’s played.

Strome looking for 5.7M and Mantha getting 5.7M would suggest to me that Strome believes he’s worth the same as Mantha. I wonder what the reaction would be if we tried to trade Strome to Detroit 1 for 1.
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I think like most negotiations on anything Strome doesn't believe he is worth $5.7m. He and his camp probably knew that they needed a number they could negotiate from. Likewise, the Rangers probably think he is going to command more than their initial offer
 
NYR Viper said:
I think like most negotiations on anything Strome doesn't believe he is worth $5.7m. He and his camp probably knew that they needed a number they could negotiate from. Likewise, the Rangers probably think he is going to command more than their initial offer
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I know, I’m just saying... Strome really isn’t in that caliber or tier. Even if we split the difference between 3.6 and 5.7, 4.7M is pushing it for the career this guy has had. I don’t blame him for wanting to cash in after a career year, but as others have thrown around 4.2M would really be an appropriate and reasonable number that he should be grateful to even get. I really won’t be surprised if the Rangers do walk if it goes above 4.6, and if the Rangers walk, I won’t be surprised at all if he can’t even get 4 on the open market.
 
Avery16 said:
Bro we couldn’t even get a good return on him on his current 3.1 at the draft. Wake up from this fantasy that Strome is a 2C on any other line but Panarin’s or Tavares’s
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Gorton didn’t sell at the deadline. You don’t know what Strome’s was or wasn’t. And what this 2C bullshit you’re bringing up? He’s a serviceable, right handed Center that put up 33 in 66 the year prior to Panarin.

Contracts in the NHL are prorated. You’re talking about around 2M at the deadline and if Gorton retains its about a 1-1.5M cap hit.

Nobody is suggesting we’ll get a tremendous return but, I wouldn’t put a 2nd round pick out of the question. Hell, I think Edge was suggesting Ottawa having interest in Strome this offseason for a similar return.

I think you like to argue just for shits and giggles sometimes.
 
Avery16 said:
Now let’s imagine the players we can’t call up or sign because we’re up against the cap. Is it also worth a 2nd to delay Kravstov’s development?
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If Kravstov does play here next year, it’ll be late in the season. He’s committed to the KHL this year. I’m sure Gorton and his accounting minions will figure out a way to get him in the lineup without pushing us over the cap.
 
NYR Viper said:
For $1m and a 2nd round pick? That's not going to delay Kravtsov's development.
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1m is the net cost in your hypo. The full 4.5 would count against the cap all season long. That would be prohibitive to a number of roster decisions.
 
Kupo said:
If Kravstov does play here next year, it’ll be late in the season. He’s committed to the KHL this year. I’m sure Gorton and his accounting minions will figure out a way to get him in the lineup without pushing us over the cap.
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Well, I think that’s why they’re pushing so hard for a number closer to 3.6.
 
Kupo said:
Gorton didn’t sell at the deadline. You don’t know what Strome’s was or wasn’t. And what this 2C bullshit you’re bringing up? He’s a serviceable, right handed Center that put up 33 in 66 the year prior to Panarin.

Contracts in the NHL are prorated. You’re talking about around 2M at the deadline and if Gorton retains its about a 1-1.5M cap hit.

Nobody is suggesting we’ll get a tremendous return but, I wouldn’t put a 2nd round pick out of the question. Hell, I think Edge was suggesting Ottawa having interest in Strome this offseason for a similar return.

I think you like to argue just for shits and giggles sometimes.
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.52 points/GP does not a 2C make.

I am neither shitting nor am
I giggling.
 
Rangers’ arbitration bid on Ryan Strome is very telling
The Rangers’ $3.6 million arbitration bid on Ryan Strome suggests that the team would have no issue with the 27-year-old centerman taking his talents elsewhere if Thursday’s scheduled hearing does indeed take place and the Blueshirts walk away from an award they believe is too rich for their blood.
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If this scenario plays out and Strome were to bolt, the Blueshirts would presumably move onto Plan B or C that would entail signing one of the unsigned centers on the market. Candidates would include Mikael Granlund, Erik Haula, Derick Brassard and Carl Soderberg.
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The Post has learned that the parties have had discussions about a two-year deal, though the numbers are unknown.
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