Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXII

[RGY]

Gut feeling, but I think we see Lemieux sign in short order.



Yeah honestly there are a ton of guys who I'd take at league minimum to fill that role.

Do we think Greene has the skating and mobility to keep up. He was decent for the Islanders in the playoffs but had his shortcomings.

I dont know, I think he would be like Option G for us.

 

[Crease]

peace out murray

Thought Murray was going to be the next big thing. It’s amazing how quickly the goalie landscape changes in the NHL.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’ve stated a couple of times that a Smith for Grabner deal would benefit both teams. If something like that happens, I’d definitely look around at a good veteran defenseman.

 

[Avery16]

Reads as pure speculation on Garrioch’s part. “You have to think the Rangers and these ten other teams would be interested.”

I agree, but Laine does seem more like the kind of player that Gorton would swing for the fences on. More so than Hall or OEL, much more so than Monahan or Hanifin.

 

[RGY]

Thought Murray was going to be the next big thing. It’s amazing how quickly the goalie landscape changes in the NHL.

Which is a real testament to the career Henrik Lundqvist has had, all in one location.

 

[RGY]

I’ve stated a couple of times that a Smith for Grabner deal would benefit both teams. If something like that happens, I’d definitely look around at a good veteran defenseman.

Would love this but I dont see the need for AZ. Maybe you could elaborate from their perspective

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Wholeheartedly disagree here.

He has been very good in his career. Plays a physical in your face game and produces.

And he just had a pretty good playoffs considering Seguin was banged up and not able to contribute.

Saying someone is overrated =/= saying someone isn't good

 

[Fitzy]

Thought Murray was going to be the next big thing. It’s amazing how quickly the goalie landscape changes in the NHL.

 

[RGY]

Saying someone is overrated =/= saying someone isn't good

Well if you arent saying he isnt good, then how is he overrated? I think he is viewed pretty fairly for what he brings to the table.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would love this but I dont see the need for AZ. Maybe you could elaborate from their perspective

When I looked before their defense lacked overall depth and with the thought process that they may be looking to try to ship a couple of guys out (OEL, Hjalmersson, Goligoski), my thought was Smith would be a decent one year stop gap. Especially because Grabner didn’t seem to get any traction last year

 

[RickChartraw]

Our post-lockout team was fun to watch, the early 90's you could see it coming, after so many years of failure even seeing it, it was not believable until it happened. I can see it coming again. The talent will be there, it's whether the moves we make payoff. Very interesting time for management and for us as fans.

Now and can I die in peace guy, let's do it again!

 

[Leetch3]

Yeah, but he's not the perfect 2C candidate, so we should wait until the ideal one comes along.

yes you can't wait for the perfect 2C candidate cause most likely that guy isn't available and you are only getting him thru the draft...but at the same time that also doesn't mean you need to jump at the first decent guy available. ESPECIALLY if the price is extremely high in terms of assets and the contract isn't that cheap...

there are lots of reasons to like monahan as the 2C and depending on the deal I could get behind it...but we have the luxury of time here. we don't need to rush into a deal. if the right deal isn't there, our worst case scenario is keeping strome so him and panarin can repeat last year while we continue to look for that answer.

JG holds all the cards

 

[UnSandvich]

Is there a more overrated player in the league than oel?

Ryan Reaves

 

[bbny]

I agree, but Laine does seem more like the kind of player that Gorton would swing for the fences on. More so than Hall or OEL, much more so than Monahan or Hanifin.

Laine would be high on my list. They can find two-way players to fill the rest of the lineup elsewhere.

We talk about ponying up for Monahan, who is better offensively than Strome, but doesn't offer anything defensively. I would rather target Laine and worry about center later. I'm more concerned with the center position being defensively responsible. The question is how much is the cost for Laine?

 

[Leetch3]

I’m surprised there isn’t a taker for Smith. Maybe they like him who knows. He played well enough on the top pairing with Trouba when Skjei was dealt. I thought Trouba played his best hockey with Smith.

only a year left. You’d think there’d be a taker if they wanted to move a guy that plays both sides and actually steps up come playoff time.

maybe they want to keep him as the swing 6/7 guy plays both sides as I mentioned. Cap isn’t an issue. Veteran guy. Kakko likes him supposedly.

I highly doubt that they want to give up another draft pick to pay someone to take his full salary...and right now needing to replace staal, the unknown about kids being ready and the possibility of ADA being dealt, smith as a versatile depth guy that can play both sides probably holds more value to us than the $2 mil of cap space we'd get after retaining...

I think this is very well something we could revisit later if we trade for a LD and then sign someone to expose in the expansion draft and kids show they are ready or close in camp, you could try to move him to a cap floor team since his cap hit is more than his actual $$. but we don't need the cap space right now to rush into that deal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

What did Garrioch say?

 

[bleedblue94]

Does anyone have a link to the Gorton JD call?

 

[Avery16]

Laine would be high on my list. They can find two-way players to fill the rest of the lineup elsewhere.

We talk about ponying up for Monahan, who is better offensively than Strome, but doesn't offer anything defensively. I would rather target Laine and worry about center later. I'm more concerned with the center position being defensively responsible. The question is how much is the cost for Laine?

He's the type of player you dont think twice about including an ADA for. Understandably, it'd take a + or two from us to make it work.

 

[Kovalev27]

I highly doubt that they want to give up another draft pick to pay someone to take his full salary...and right now needing to replace staal, the unknown about kids being ready and the possibility of ADA being dealt, smith as a versatile depth guy that can play both sides probably holds more value to us than the $2 mil of cap space we'd get after retaining...

I think this is very well something we could revisit later if we trade for a LD and then sign someone to expose in the expansion draft and kids show they are ready or close in camp, you could try to move him to a cap floor team since his cap hit is more than his actual $$. but we don't need the cap space right now to rush into that deal.

Oh no way I’d give up a pick with Smith

 

[Avery16]

What did Garrioch say?

If you’re looking for possible suitors for Laine then look no further than the Columbus Blue Jackets and the Montreal Canadiens because both teams are seeking this kind of scoring help. If Winnipeg is going to make this move then the club is going to want a top defenceman or second-line centre plus a prospect and a pick.

The Jets didn’t have the kind of success they expected in the Western bubble and want to make changes. You have to think the New York Islanders would make a call along with Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild and Florida Panthers would be among the teams interested.

 

[Savant]

Do we think Greene has the skating and mobility to keep up. He was decent for the Islanders in the playoffs but had his shortcomings.

I dont know, I think he would be like Option G for us.

Islanders hid his deficiencies because they more or less trap. He isn’t getting that luxury with the Rangers. I’m staying away.

 

[Trxjw]

That may be the market now, but markets change.

I don't think ADA is very weak at one side of the game. He is not great in his own end. Trouba is not great in the offensive end or getting out of his own end. I think it was Trouba who turned the puck over at his own blue line just before ADA was turnstiled to end the 3 game playin. Girardi and Staal were bad in the O zone and bad at moving the puck anywhere and the Rangers spent a ton on them while making the playoffs, even the cup finals.

Lundkvist has not played in N America, he looks very promising. He is likely to need some AHL time. If not it's possible we have the same conversation about him as we do with Chyitl. Lias, Howden in terms of whether or not they could have used more AHL time before being placed on the NHL roster.

Rangers have time to make the right moves, just because they made cap space buying out a player and attaching a future to another to trade him does not mean they should use all that up on players who just happen to be on the market.

The market can certainly change but who's to say it changes for the positive? There are teams out there now that want Tony. Those teams might not want him in 6 months. His play might regress. He might get injured. Who knows where he's going to end up contractually? They might be worried about a big arbitration award throwing a wrench into things. These are all important factors that the Rangers may not want to test.

TDA isn't good in his own end. He's great at exiting his own end but he's terrible at defending the play. He's easily out-muscled in front of the net, chases the puck, and pretty regularly loses his assignments. Can he improve? Sure, but those are all the same things that have plagued him since he was drafted. At some point teams will stop expecting him to make big strides there and the Rangers are evaluating 3 guys at his position who are reasonably close to him offensively while being vastly superior defensively.

Lundkvist might need time in the AHL but the team is planning on him joining sooner rather than later. So the plan is what matters in this case. I also don't see the value in keeping someone like TDA as a placeholder when you could sign a vet D or put Smith there while addressing other major holes in the roster with a TDA trade.

The team clearly wants to make improvements and they have pieces they're willing to deal. So while we're all debating the merits of the players in rumors, it's entirely possible, even likely that the Rangers view these guys as a great return for Tony. What we think the market is or might become is entirely irrelevant. If Gorton thinks it's a good deal, he's going to make the the deal.

 

[Savant]

He's the type of player you dont think twice about including an ADA for. Understandably, it'd take a + or two from us to make it work.

Rangers can’t allocate that much cap to another wing.

 

[Leetch3]

Yah that’s starter money. Murray is a goner.

nobody is getting 10 mil anymore. That Lehner contract is going to be the standard.

tb signed vasilevsky for 8 years, $76 mil ($9.5 mil per) 1 year ago with the contract starting this year...so it might be a little premature to say no team is going to give big $$ to a goalie anymore.

 

[duhmetreE]

How much does Laine get paid in his next contract? That's the determining factor but he fits because we lack true goal scorers.

Buch+Kravtsov would be the starting point.