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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXII

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2Leetch_94 said:
Hate to be one of those people but can anybody recap all the relevant rumors over the past few days? Much appreciated thanks in advance.
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Rangers still talking to Calgary and Monahan's name has come up in conversations along with the usual suspects (Hanafin, Lindholm, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Hajek, etc).

Rangers haven't yet extended a qualifying offer to Strome. They have until 5PM on Tuesday to do so or he can be a UFA on Friday.

Pretty much it.
 
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bobbop said:
It’s a hunch that Gorton is working on a major acquisition of some type that we haven’t run into the ground.

And it isn’t Byfuglien.
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My gut's telling me there's a few things that MIGHT happen during the draft. And Gorton's going to do as little as possible to lock the team in to anything before then. My gut's also telling me I shouldn't have had that second churro.
 
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gravey9 said:
I haven't read the Brooks article, but I would imagine if the Rangers wanted to bring back Strome, they would not want to do it for much more than his QO. Or even at his QO really...

The big thing the pundits are saying is that because of the flat cap and internal caps the "middle class" players are going to get squeezed a lot. Teams will have a hard time justifying paying the Ryan Stromes of the world more than 2.5m.

Most of the cap is going to go to the core players. But everyone else will get considerably less. The issue is, what happens to the middle class players like Strome who have qualifying offers in the 3-5m range and are still in their controlled years? Do you still qualify them, try to upgrade or go bargain bin UFA shopping? It's an interesting time for guys like Strome.
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in what reality does strome coming off a 69 point pace as 2C agree to a deal for 2.5 mil? I'm sure the rangers would love that but there is no way
 
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Leetch3 said:
in what reality does strome coming off a 69 point pace as 2C agree to a deal for 2.5 mil? I'm sure the rangers would love that but there is no way
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The reality that is the flat cap NHL. I can't see a contender paying him more than 3m. I could see a team like Ottawa or Detroit or something paying him more.
 
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the only scenario it would make sense IMO is if there is absolutely zero interest around the league and we can't even trade him for a 7th round pick so then you make a trade for a 2C before tuesday and let him walk...but what are the chances that he has zero trade value? i'd say none.
 
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gravey9 said:
The reality that is the flat cap NHL. I can't see a contender paying him more than 3m. I could see a team like Ottawa or Detroit or something paying him more.
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$3 mil for a 2C is extremely cheap...he is not high paid.
 
2Leetch_94 said:
Hate to be one of those people but can anybody recap all the relevant rumors over the past few days? Much appreciated thanks in advance.
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Been a lot of sh!t slammed to the wall here...but as far as "credible" rumors...

McKenzie tweeted a couple of days ago about Eichel potentially wanting out of Buffalo and the Rangers were one of the teams interested. They were the only team McKenzie mentioned by name but he also diffused the situation pretty quickly at the same time. @Edge had mentioned possible interest from the Rangers side a couple of weeks ago, so McKenzie reporting something similar means there was at least some smoke there. Edge has noted before that the mainstream rumor mill guys typically get the information a week or two later.

Adam Herman tweeted today that Buffalo actually made an offer to the Rangers, but it included pieces that the Rangers wouldn't consider trading. He didn't specifically mention what was included, but we can guess that it was probably some combination of #1, Kakko, Miller, Nils, Chytil, etc.

Edge also discussed a couple of different rumors. Regarding DeAngelo, a couple of teams have called on him...Vegas and Calgary were among the teams mentioned. Strome could be a target of Ottawa pending the Rangers ability to add another center elsewhere. Most of the talk has come from a potential deal between the Flames and Rangers. Rumors ranged anywhere between swapping 1sts (our #22 for their #19), all the way to discussions around Hanifin, Monahan, and/or Lindholm. Doesn't sound like Calgary wants to trade Lindholm though. Players mentioned from our end are Buchnevich, ADA, Strome, Georgiev.

Edmonton has been rumored to be shopping the 14th overall pick and are looking for a later 1st + a 2nd. Not sure if it's a real "rumor" or not, but some speculation that the Rangers could either flip Georgiev for a 2nd and then offer 22 + said 2nd for 14, or just offer 22 + Georgiev for the pick.

Probably a couple of others that I missed, but that's been the talk of the town over the last couple of days.
 
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Trxjw said:
Rangers still talking to Calgary and Monahan's name has come up in conversations along with the usual suspects (Hanafin, Lindholm, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Hajek, etc).

Rangers haven't yet extended a qualifying offer to Strome. They have until 5PM on Tuesday to do so or he can be a UFA on Friday.

Pretty much it.
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somebody mentioned Monahan is lazy. May have been Bob
 
Kovalev27 said:
I honestly wouldn’t care if we got nothing for Strome lol

I’d rather get nothing and let him walk than sign him for any amount of cap money.
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I can't imagine any possibility that you can't turn him into a 2nd round pick or use him to move up from 22 at a minimum.
 
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Giving him a QO retains his rights. You don’t have to offer him anything beyond his QO, and he doesn’t have to sign his QO. In that case he just sits out until either he accepts his QO or you trade him. He doesn’t count against the cap for his QO because he hasn’t signed it. There’s no reason to allow him to become a UFA and not retain his rights. Strome is a 27 year old who just had 59 points in 70 games. There may be doubts about his ability to produce at a 60 point pace consistently and or his overall game, but - especially if the Rangers retain his rights and he has no choice but to accept his QO or sit - there’s almost no way someone wouldn’t roll the dice on a one year 4.5M deal for Strome at the cost of a 3rd or 4th pick, WORST case scenario.
 
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Leetch3 said:
We don't have as much cap space as people seem to think...JD made mention of the performance bonus cushion and how rookie deals count more than people think...the preference seems to be to make sure that we don't have to carry cap space over to next year.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that Hajek & Reunanen make the team to get us to 7 dmen (any replacement will be equal or more $$)...If you count the full cap hit including performance bonuses for Shesterkin, Fox, Kakko, Lafreniere, Lindgren, Chytil, Gauthier, Hajek and Reunanen...plus $13 mil in dead space from buyouts, that puts us at $71,177,299. If the goal is to stay under the bonus cushion (7.5%) limit of $87,612,500 that gives us just under $16.5 mil to spend.

$16.5 mil to resign or replace Strome, DeAngelo, Fast, Georgiev, Lemieux and Di Guiseppe to get to a 22-man roster (13 forwards, 7 dmen, 2 goalies).

Some guesses at the cost to resign them (or their replacements)

DeAngelo: 5.5
Strome: 4.5
Fast: 2.5
Georgiev: 1.5
Lemieux: 1.5
Di Guiseppe: 750k

I think those are conservative estimates (maybe on the low end for some) and that totals up to $16.25 mil...leaving us with less than $25k to work with to start the year...obviously we'd free up more space headed into the deadline as you know which bonuses are not a factor. And that is assuming that we don't trade for a 2C like Monahan who makes $6.35 mil.

We have the cap space to make things work. we aren't sitting on a crazy amount of space. Deals to bring players in that make any kind of $$ will require nearly equal $$ going out.
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I dont think the bonus situation is as dire as it sounds.

Obviously, it would be better not to add to the $4M of dead cap space next year but its doable. If we can manage with 13M dead space this year, we should be fine next year. More cheapish '2nd contracts' on the way and probably even more ELCs. We'd still be over the Bonus limit but it wont be as severe considering the buyouts come off...

BUT I do think this further encourages to move Buch, ADA and Strome. Or at the least, 2 out of the 3
 
Leetch3 said:
$3 mil for a 2C is extremely cheap...he is not high paid.
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Oh I agree. That is extremely cheap. But he's not many teams ideal 2C. And in a situation where teams are operating with internal caps and I question what the re-calibration will be. 2.5 for a 2C would be insane if COVID hadn't happened. Strome, in normal circumstances would be looking at 5m or 5.5m, but I just don't know what he can realistically expect. I think players like him and below him talent-wise are going to need to decide: play on a good team or get close to what you're worth on a far lesser team. Again, I don't know what the actual price tag will be for the Stromes of the world. But it could be significantly less than what we'd normally expect. And if you're a GM, it's not just about understanding what a player is worth to your team but at what salary does that player suddenly become harder to trade. I think over 3.5 makes Strome a challenge to trade. In that sense, he's not in a vastly different place than he was in when he signed him. So, if Strome feels like the NYR are a good fit then maybe he's willing to come in at a bargain, esp if we're only taking him to UFA on a one-year deal.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Here’s a plot twist, could the Rangers want to sign Strome to a longer deal, say 4 years with a large bonus to be paid soon (say in the next couple of days), to make him more attractive for a team like Ottawa? In that sense, the fear of not being qualified may be enough for him to put pen to paper before the draft.

Edit - I would assume that any longer deal would be made with a handshake agreement with the other team who wants him, say Ottawa as an example.
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I like where you’re going here.
 
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