Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Mikos87]

What role would Greenway fill on the Rangers that Howden or Lemieux don't?

Bottom six winger

 

[RangersFan1994]

I know it's a bit of a positional swap, but would anyone be open to Howden or Lemeuix for Greenway?

it would take more than that.

maybe Buchnevich for Greenway and Kunin???

or Buchnevich, Smith to Hawks for Maata, Dylan Strome??

just spitballing. using Buchnevich because he has been rumored to be available for a while, although I rather keep him if they could unless involved for a power forward type board player.

 

[kovazub94]

Kind of a bargain bin, off the wall suggestion: What does anyone think about the idea of bringing in Zemgus Girgensons for the 4th line? He's still on the young side, probably wouldn't cost that much, and could be a really useful player on the penalty kill. I think a 4th line of Lemieux- Girgensons- Fast would be quite solid for the price. He'd be about the same age Blair Betts was when he came to MSG, but with a bit more track record on his resume.

It'd give us something like:

Laf--Ziba--Kakko
Panarin--Chytil--Buchnevich/Kravtsov
Kreider--Howden/Barron--Gauthier
Lemieux--Girgensons--Fast

I like the balance there, and we could use another defense first guy in that bottom 6.

Did we trade Strome for Girgensons? Not a fan.
Also with Kreider and Buch on your roster I doubt Quinn breaks up KZB line and saddle our 1C with a rook and a sophomore for the top line duties (Panarin - Chytil - Buch / Krava would be a bad choice as well).

 

[RangersFan1994]

Girgensons is actually an UFA and someone I hope Rangers look at. but not more than a 3rd liner at best. good depth and I think he is good on faceoffs.

 

[Barnaby]

I'm sure Shattenkirk despises the Rangers for buying him out. He'd probably never say it directly but you can tell he would never come back here again. He took a discount to be a Ranger and the team gave up on him after just 2 seasons.

It sounds like the feeling is mutual.

 

[kovazub94]

I know it's a bit of a positional swap, but would anyone be open to Howden or Lemeuix for Greenway?

Wing (Lemieux) for wing - yes, Howden - not so much.

 

[Mikos87]

Eich has to say he only wants to come to the NYR. Losing a prodigy for any organization is a painful experience. The question is can Eich wait another year? Does he have the tolerance for that? I mean he's a competitor. He's a competitive animal that can't take losing. Has Jackie boy punched out a teammate yet? It's gonna get to that point sooner or later.

I'm a big Ralph Kruger fan, but Ralph's not skating there on the ice with Jack. Word is that Ralph's got a mobile phone, that Eich can access. That's not a reason to waste Eich's career away. Stay for Ralph? No, not a compelling reason to.

Just look at Hedman and Bowness. Hedman lifts the cup while Bowness watches from the opposing bench.

 

[bigdog16]

boo hoo to Kevin. Cry me a river. Here we have Panarin (and so many like him) who couldn’t even afford skates. Jagr would do squats with Cinder blocks b/c he was broke. Poor Kevin, who attended the approx $50,000 a year Bruswick school, saw his play deteriorate in St Louis, was non-existent in Washington and had his $26 million dollar contract bought out b/c he was injured in Ny.

Newsflash Kevin, the Lightning got you at a discount and the surrounding talent won you a Cup b/c the Rangers bought you out. Need a hug Princess?

He was a 40-45 point dman during his entire 6-year tenure in St Louis, and put up 14 points in 19 games while in Washington. His play didn't deteriorate until he got to NY.

Comparing Panarin and Jagr's poor youth to Shattenkirk's buyout is such a HFNYR thing tho, so I get it

 

[Avery16]

Woof. This is the worst market to move a goaltender, ever?

 

[True Blue]

On the flip side, I bet the Rangers could probably take advantage, in some way, of Buffalo's growing desperation to put a team around him that can make noise, and I have to wonder if we could pry the 8th pick, or more, out of them for a player who is ultimately redundant or unnecessary to us. That list as many have speculated would include, as far as I'm concerned, Strome, Buchnevich, Andersson, and/or DeAngelo (if the price was high enough).

Still will not give up the hopes and prayers that Gorton will deal production for a draft pick, huh? Why wouldn't a 24 year old 60 point defenseman be redundant or not necessary. Or a player that was trending to 70 points? Or a 25 year old that had top line production numbers? Who exactly is knocking on the door to take their place? Being redundant implies that someone is ready to replace them and someone else is ready to replace the replacer. Who are these mythical beings?

 

[kovazub94]

Girgensons is actually an UFA and someone I hope Rangers look at. but not more than a 3rd liner at best. good depth and I think he is good on faceoffs.

I was responding to @smoneil 's lineup that was missing Strome (without any details) and added Girgensons as a "replacement". Otherwise a cheap UFA who takes some defensive responsibilities while making our bottom-6 deeper would be a good add.

 

[Mikos87]

Wing (Lemieux) for wing - yes, Howden - not so much.

Fair enough, but Howden finished or played on the wing for a good chunk of last year no? Obviously there would need to be a pre-cursor to add another center.

 

[NYSPORTS]

He was a 40-45 point dman during his entire 6-year tenure in St Louis, and put up 14 points in 19 games while in Washington. His play didn't deteriorate until he got to NY.

Comparing Panarin and Jagr's poor youth to Shattenkirk's buyout is such a HFNYR thing tho, so I get it

he was mediocre/awful in Washington. It’s not a HFNYR thing although this cry of distorted sympathy from a few for poor Kevin is comical. No question mcguire was trying to sell it and Kevin has often expressed it. Rough times, he was bought out his dream. Cry me a river. He got injured, it happens. He won a Cup. Let it go.

 

[kovazub94]

As much as I like Sergachev, I can’t help but think he’d be the wrong fit for what we’re trying to build here. Unless they’re moving Tony, he isn’t going to be the primary PPQB, and I don’t think he’s ready for a top match-up role next to Trouba. He’s going to be paid a lot on his next deal, and I don’t want to get caught paying a guy that much to be a high-end second-pairing dman.

I’m also not willing to pay the cost that Tampa will want for him. He’s a really good player, but I just don’t see the fit here.

I think he's ready for 1LD role and would be an excellent partner for Trouba especially if he came with FL discount build-in extension, but we don't think the Rangers are a good match. ADA is no starter for them and the Rangers would balk at moving Lundkvist.

 

[kovazub94]

Fair enough, but Howden finished or played on the wing for a good chunk of last year no? Obviously there would need to be a pre-cursor to add another center.

Then it stops being one for one in this sense.

 

[Mikos87]

Then it stops being one for one in this sense.

FA Signing/Another Trade.

 

[Trxjw]

I do doubt that the Rangers have a serious play to make for Eichel this very second. I don't think Buffalo is at a point where they feel they need to trade him -- yet. But I think the seeds are being planted.

On the flip side, I bet the Rangers could probably take advantage, in some way, of Buffalo's growing desperation to put a team around him that can make noise, and I have to wonder if we could pry the 8th pick, or more, out of them for a player who is ultimately redundant or unnecessary to us. That list as many have speculated would include, as far as I'm concerned, Strome, Buchnevich, Andersson, and/or DeAngelo (if the price was high enough).

Pretty much this. Certainly seems like the Rangers are applying pressure to Buffalo through the Eichel situation. Basically saying that if they aren't going to trade him, they better hurry up and improve their team because this can't go on. Likely because they'd benefit from whatever Buffalo decides to do. Move Eichel? We're one of a handful of teams who could make it work in this climate. Want to build around Eichel at the expense of your shallow prospect pool and 8th overall? We've got young RFAs that can't run to free agency in a year. But don't wait too long because we're not going to sit on our hands for a year while you make a decision. We've got Anaheim waiting with #6 and Vegas right behind them with guys who can help us now.

I think DeAngelo, Buchnevich, and Georgiev are probably all of interest to them.

 

[GAGLine]

Bottom six winger

I was looking for something more specific. We have bottom 6 wingers. Lemieux is a bottom 6 winger. What does Greenway add that Lemieux doesn't? Is he better defensively? Can he PK? Are you expecting him to provide more offense? Is he going to get an opportunity above the 4th line? If so, what happens to the guys already in our top 9? Do we drop Gauthier to the 4th line?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Woof. This is the worst market to move a goaltender, ever?

might be worse than the Talbot market if looking for a Georgiev return.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think DeAngelo, Buchnevich, and Georgiev are probably all of interest to them.

considering their contracts, are they appealing?

ADA - RFA
Georgiev - RFA
Buch - one year from RFA

better then UFA but not exactly under control on the cheap for years.

i think a Vegas, Vancouver, Monteal or Los Angeles may be better fits IMO

 

[Trxjw]

considering their contracts, are they appealing?

ADA - RFA
Georgiev - RFA
Buch - one year from RFA

better then UFA but not exactly under control on the cheap for years.

Well we already know they asked about DeAngelo from Edge. They were in on Buchnevich last year. There was a writer out of Buffalo that said they might be interested in Georgiev as well. So I'm not pulling these names out of thin air.

They can hope for guys on ELCs but they aren't going to improve the team without spending a bit of money.

 

[Kovalev27]

If you want a good goalie you can get one easily this offseason

I don’t know why anyone would want hank and his massive shadow sitting as a back up. I know no one will make him a starter.

 

[bigdog16]

he was mediocre/awful in Washington. It’s not a HFNYR thing although this cry of distorted sympathy from a few for poor Kevin is comical. No question mcguire was trying to sell it and Kevin has often expressed it. Rough times, he was bought out his dream. Cry me a river. He got injured, it happens. He won a Cup. Let it go.

It is most definitely a HFNYR thing. You're rambling. You should let it go

 

[NYSPORTS]

Well we already know they asked about DeAngelo from Edge. They were in on Buchnevich last year. There was a writer out of Buffalo that said they might be interested in Georgiev as well. So I'm not pulling these names out of thin air.

They can hope for guys on ELCs but they aren't going to improve the team without spending a bit of money.

if they want him or them, GREAT! They’re in a tough spot.

They need cash and players.
Players cost cash and Covid took away cash.

 

[True Blue]

I think DeAngelo, Buchnevich, and Georgiev are probably all of interest to them.

Sure. But Georgiev aside, I do not see Gorton trading either DeAngelo or Buchnevich for the 8OA.