bleedblue94
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want nothing to do with johnson, absolutely nothing.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LX
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Boris Zubov
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Same with Stamkos unless Tampa is retaining 50%. Even then I'm reluctant.
JimmyG89
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With the space the team has, they can definitely look to add something in free agency or trade, but they should be frugal in spending long term. I think Gorton understands this. He's worked very hard to get flexibility. He's getting that now and next season with the dead cap coming off the books.
I would be inclined to only give one or two year deals in free agency. There is only so much time where you need to pay guys like Fox and Shesterkin as that is part of the core. Chytil needs a new deal, a bridge, but he'll get a bump. The obvious players we covered for this offseason as well. Georgiev needs a deal, even if he's still in rumors to be moved, but I think that is over with.
Maybe this leave some room for a Buchnevich extension too, even with the guys coming, he's already a top 6 winger and still young. I would be hesitant on moving him now with the extra room afforded to the team. Let the younger guys force him out. An extension doesn't rule out a trade either, and it could be more valuable if the rate is good. A 3 or 4 year deal on top of this season could pay dividends as an asset over the next 2-3 years.
The good out of this is they have space to add a short term 2nd line center if they want to. Whether that is Strome on a shorter deal or someone outside the organization.
I would be inclined to only give one or two year deals in free agency. There is only so much time where you need to pay guys like Fox and Shesterkin as that is part of the core. Chytil needs a new deal, a bridge, but he'll get a bump. The obvious players we covered for this offseason as well. Georgiev needs a deal, even if he's still in rumors to be moved, but I think that is over with.
Maybe this leave some room for a Buchnevich extension too, even with the guys coming, he's already a top 6 winger and still young. I would be hesitant on moving him now with the extra room afforded to the team. Let the younger guys force him out. An extension doesn't rule out a trade either, and it could be more valuable if the rate is good. A 3 or 4 year deal on top of this season could pay dividends as an asset over the next 2-3 years.
The good out of this is they have space to add a short term 2nd line center if they want to. Whether that is Strome on a shorter deal or someone outside the organization.
The Rangers are in a unique position because they have a strong group of prospects that are probably far more appealing to a team like Tampa than the prospect of an offer sheet. There are some premium young prospects on the cusp of being meaningful NHL players in the next 1-2 seasons and that's exactly what Tampa needs in order to keep things rolling.
That being said, I don't think any conversation for Sergachev goes further than pleasantries unless Lundkvist is on the table. He's exactly the kind of player Tampa needs and they'll get 3 full years of ELC control. It's very likely Gorton has kicked the tires there but be prepared. That's a deal that is going to sting. It's likely going to require giving up a piece that you're not comfortable with.
Also, the flip side with Sergachev is that he's riding a huge hype train right now. We could certainly offer him a big contract but that's a dangerous proposition in itself as he's never been a consistent top-pairing option.
That being said, I don't think any conversation for Sergachev goes further than pleasantries unless Lundkvist is on the table. He's exactly the kind of player Tampa needs and they'll get 3 full years of ELC control. It's very likely Gorton has kicked the tires there but be prepared. That's a deal that is going to sting. It's likely going to require giving up a piece that you're not comfortable with.
Also, the flip side with Sergachev is that he's riding a huge hype train right now. We could certainly offer him a big contract but that's a dangerous proposition in itself as he's never been a consistent top-pairing option.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Have you not been here for the last two days? The board devoted pages to hashing through these questions.
a) You're grossly overstating the cost in your head. You're not paying to "pry" Eichel from Buffalo; the only way he moves in the current environment is if he wants out. And in that case, a loooooong history of NHL precedents show that the cost will be ~ 1 top 6 forward and 1 top 4 D (neither a young star), a prospect (not the cream of the crop), and a pick (not the #1OA). Maybe another 1-2 additional picks/prospects.
b) The cap space works just fine over the next two seasons given our current space and the dead money coming off the books. The third year may get tricky if all goes as we hope and a bunch of the kids are due raises, but plenty of options will present themselves between now and then (maybe you do bridge deals with a couple of the RFAs to get to the fourth year; maybe you trade Mika/let him walk; maybe you trade Kreider; you probably do trade Buch). Then, in year four we're out of the flat-cap world and the available dollars should jump once more.
All that being said, it's unlikely the deal would happen this offseason since Buffalo's already paid Eichel $7.5MM of the money he's due this year. But I can easily see this being something that comes back around at the TDL or next offseason.
Raspewtin
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I don't think Serg is a good fit. His strength is offense which we already have plenty of on D.
I'd really rather just plug a solid defensive LHD. Nothing crazy.
I'd really rather just plug a solid defensive LHD. Nothing crazy.
Rather than just deploying a blanket statement, maybe let’s consider some context when comparing us to Toronto. We have been drafting, acquiring, and developing Defenseman on the backend meanwhile they have been unable to. They also have had a questionable goaltending situation and it will continue to be as such moving forward unless things change.
But hey lets also keep ALL our prospects and see how we can fit them all. Maybe the NHL will expand the benches and increase the roster size.
HonestGabe
Formerly MacTruck
I used to think this but after watching how he played this postseason, I feel that he is actually pretty decent in his own end and still developing into a more of a 2-way defenseman.
I would rather pair him with Fox. I think their games would mesh really well. Lindgren and Trouba could form a strong pair as well.
Then you have a group under cost control for another 4-5 seasons. Augment it with players like Robertson, Lundkvist, Miller or Jones and that's a pretty good group that would fare well in the right system.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
I really think Ekholm is the perfect "bridge" guy if Nashville is making big changes.
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aufheben
#Norris4Fox
I honestly don’t get the big deal about Sergachev.
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...apart from being one of the more talented young defenseman in the league. I suppose his advanced stats aren't great? (serious question)
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He was actually better defensively this past season than he was at shot generation.
I agree with your overall point however that we just need a solid shutdown D who is not a trainwreck with the puck. But if we are looking for a long-term solution I think Serg is good.
Yeah options 3 and 4 are horrible.
I can get behind Sergachev and would love Cirelli.
Gourde is the only other guy who they may need to move on from that would interest me.
Okay- so my choices for free agent signings on D was trying to take on some ancillary things, Beaulieu's relationship with Trouba, tough kid that will drop the gloves. Quebecois kid that plays a game similar to Gauthier's uncle. Nutivarra, Torts trained Finnish friend for Kakko.
Setting those relationships aside. I would trade for Ilya Lyubushkin to fill out a LD slot. Carson Soucy is another one that I would sign on day 1, might be at the top of my UFA list for a depth defenseman.
Saw a spark in the playoffs with these two. Maybe it was something in the moment.
Setting those relationships aside. I would trade for Ilya Lyubushkin to fill out a LD slot. Carson Soucy is another one that I would sign on day 1, might be at the top of my UFA list for a depth defenseman.
Saw a spark in the playoffs with these two. Maybe it was something in the moment.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
I feel like if we’re gonna trade for a sheltered bottom-pairing offensive defenseman who doesn’t actually provide that much offense, Vince Dunn is more bang for your buck. Sergachev is going to cost a lot in trade assets and cap space.
Feels like a lot of people on here just making up trades for the sake of trades
but i guess it is what this thread is for
but i guess it is what this thread is for
I mean he's a 6'2 220lb kid with elite skating, some bite in his game, and the potential to be a 50 point contributor from the back end. Plenty to like. The real question is he a guy who can grow into a complete player or is he destined to be a 2nd pairing guy who eats up minutes on the PP?
I mean, 99% of the league woild be bottom pairing behind McDonagh and Hedman. He has grown quite a bit defensively this year too.
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That's an ...interesting way to describe the player.
I'd describe him more as 'Young, rising star stuck behind Victor Hedman and Ryan McDonagh' but I doubt tampa considers letting him go for a second and making the same mistake MTL made.
How do people feel about bringing Cam Talbot back as a back-up if there is a good deal out there for Geo?
HonestGabe
Formerly MacTruck
The other thing to note here is that I'd really only be interested in this move if it meant we had sent Tony elsewhere for a 2C. And of course, the Lightning make him available.
Sergachev is a replacement for some of that offensive production you are losing with Tony. He plays the left side, and can PK and can continue to develop a 2-way game. He's younger and would be a much more logical long-term investment for the organization.
So Tony for a 2c and then Kravtsov + 22 + Jones/Robertson/Hajek for Sergachev?
I think at the end of the day we would be a stronger team than moving assets for a guy like Dunn or signing a UFA. More assets spent, yes but a move for Sergachev has a much higher reward and is a long term investment.
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