Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LX

[True Blue]

Overpayment.

Truly. There is no way that I would include Lias in a trade like that. Buch and a third is more than enough.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

1st? No. It is the obligatory 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'll throw in a 5th if the Rangers win a playoff round.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I hope Boston trades for OEL and lets Krug walk

that’d be the beginning of the end for them

 

[TheDirtyH]

I hope Boston trades for OEL and lets Krug walk

that’d be the beginning of the end for them

That's not how Boston sports work. OEL would go there, realize his potential and be a stud #1 RHD until he's 39.

 

[Chytilmania]

Well the Rangers are gonna do what they are gonna do and we have no say in it. What they are trying to do might be both compete now and set themselves up for the future, but as the old proverb goes, those who walk in the middle of the street get hit by cars on both sides. I have to ask, why are they better suited for getting players for both now and in the future? Why not get a player for each instead of one player that fulfills both roles? Why not go out and acquire a stud prospect center, and then sign a vet like Erik Haula, Carl Soderberg, Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, someone who can hold that spot down for a year or two? Why is trading for Lindholm better than that? I'm not sure I would agree.

They have Trouba, Zibenejad, Panarin and Kreider who are 26, 27, 28 and 29, but their true core is absolutely the 25 and under crowd (and really, the 22 and under crowd, because other than Shesterkin, I could argue no one in those 25 or 24 categories are true cornerstones moving forward).

25
Buchnevich

24
DeAngelo
Georgiev
Shesterkin

22
Fox
Gauthier
Hajek
Howden
Lindgren

21
Andersson
Barron
Chytil

20
Kravtsov
Lundkvist
Miller

19
Kakko
Lafreniere
Robertson


They need another center for that 22 and under group, not 25 and up.

I think this point needs to be reinforced: The Rangers true hope of winning a Cup, or Cups, does not lie with Trouba, Zibanejad, Panarin, and Kreider. Those four do not have a prayer in the world of carrying a team to a Cup.

It's not until Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, and perhaps 1-2 others from that list have joined them in the upper echelon of NHLers that the team has a real chance at being more than a run of the mill playoff team. And if we have to wait for those guys, then we are waiting on about 10 other guys who will all be entering their primes at about the same time. THAT's the winning core, then. Not Zibanejad at 29 and Kreider at 31. The value of those four (Trouba, Zibanejad, Panarin, and Kreider) is to be the elder vets supporting the elite Kakko/Kravtsov/Chytil/Lafreniere/Fox (and hopefully another center) core.

Hedman- 29
McDonagh-31
Stamkos- 30
Kuch- 27
Johnson- 30
Palat- 29

It boggles my mind how the Rangers can't win a cup with Zibanejad or Panarin. The Lightning have guys late 20s early 30s and then Point, Serg, Vasi. The Rangers will be the opposite. They will have elite players in their early-mid 20s along with Panarin, Kreider and Zibanejad. One gets better with age, the other plays a game where he will be elite well into his 30s. If a 31 year old Kreider is what we are worrying about then we have nothing to complain about. Even Washington got it done with Backstrom, Oshie and Ovechkin at 30,31,32 respectively.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hedman- 29
McDonagh-31
Stamkos- 30
Kuch- 27
Johnson- 30
Palat- 29

It boggles my mind how the Rangers can't win a cup with Zibanejad or Panarin. The Lightning have guys late 20s early 30s and then Point, Serg, Vasi. The Rangers will be the opposite. They will have elite players in their early-mid 20s along with Panarin, Kreider and Zibanejad. One gets better with age, the other plays a game where he will be elite well into his 30s. If a 31 year old Kreider is what we are worrying about then we have nothing to complain about. Even Washington got it done with Backstrom, Oshie and Ovechkin at 30,31,32 respectively.

It’s not about the age it’s about the money. Rangers never get bargain contracts. Point makes 2nd liner money. Hedman makes less money than Trouba. Etc.

 

[Chytilmania]

what cup winner hasn't had big contracts and been forced to make tough choices in the year or years following their win??

is the idea here to win and to have a pretty cap speadsheet. things happen ever year to players and the cap and you adjust as you go. established players like eichel do not become available when they are entering their prime. you take the opportunity that you put yourself in position to take advantage of...

Not sure how I would feel about an Eichel trade but loading up that top 6 and having 2 elite PP units to go along with our goaltending we would be looking pretty. If the Rangers win a cup but have to trade away one or two young emerging talents that's fine. They won the grand prize and we're all happy.

 

[Tob]

Less than 5 days from the draft day 1, day 2, then FA back to back to back and nothing. There better be an explosion of moves.

 

[BB88]

I hope Boston trades for OEL and lets Krug walk

that’d be the beginning of the end for them

Krug is one of the most sheltered Dmen in the game.

OEL is far better fit and addresses a need for Bruins.

As long as the price isn't crazy

OEL- McAvoy
Grzelcyk- Carlo
Makes for a beast top4

 

[Leetch3]

Here is my question to the HF members who work or have worked for a professional sports team.
In Bob McKenzie’s first post on Jack Eichel he said he was making his calls and heard that Jack wanted out. Then he spoke with Eichel agent Peter Fish and Fish claimed there was no truth to the rumors. Then it was reported that it wasn’t Eichel or Buffalo but rather other teams G.M.s calling Kevyn Adams inquiring about the availability of Jack.
Is that normal that a G.M. call unsolicited to ask about another teams franchise player?
Are teams calling Edmonton and Toronto and asking if McDavid or Austin Matthews are available?
Just seems odd.

first off we are assuming that his agent and the sabres aren't lying lol.

but I highly doubt teams are getting random calls about their untouchable players...but more likely teams hear rumbling that a player is unhappy and wants to be moved or the team is looking to make changes so they 'check in'. it wouldn't be hard to believe that eichel is unhappy there...

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Krug is one of the most sheltered Dmen in the game.

OEL is far better fit and addresses a need for Bruins.

As long as the price isn't crazy

OEL- McAvoy
Grzelcyk- Carlo
Makes for a beast top4

Don’t care f*** boston

 

[bl02]

Less than 5 days from the draft day 1, day 2, then FA back to back to back and nothing. There better be an explosion of moves.

John Shannon was on Sirius and he said so many teams have cash issues and that may cause fewer trades or at least make trades a little more challenging to make. On the other hand there are teams like Tampa that just have to make trades for cap reasons

 

[RangersFan1994]

Less than 5 days from the draft day 1, day 2, then FA back to back to back and nothing. There better be an explosion of moves.

im shocked nothing has happened not just Rangers related, in general.

 

[bl02]

Is it true Krug turned down 6.5 for 6 years from Boston? Does he think he’s gonna get 7 plus million for 6 plus years? And in a better spot than Boston? That’s a gutsy call

 

[bl02]

im shocked nothing has happened not just Rangers related, in general.

Funny we’ve made the two biggest splashes in the last week lol.
Someone else should step up and make a move now

 

[NYR]

Hedman- 29
McDonagh-31
Stamkos- 30
Kuch- 27
Johnson- 30
Palat- 29

It boggles my mind how the Rangers can't win a cup with Zibanejad or Panarin. The Lightning have guys late 20s early 30s and then Point, Serg, Vasi. The Rangers will be the opposite. They will have elite players in their early-mid 20s along with Panarin, Kreider and Zibanejad. One gets better with age, the other plays a game where he will be elite well into his 30s. If a 31 year old Kreider is what we are worrying about then we have nothing to complain about. Even Washington got it done with Backstrom, Oshie and Ovechkin at 30,31,32 respectively.

Kinda blows up that misinformed theory that runs thick here about players being useless once they hit 28 eh? Lol

 

[Tob]

John Shannon was on Sirius and he said so many teams have cash issues and that may cause fewer trades or at least make trades a little more challenging to make. On the other hand there are teams like Tampa that just have to make trades for cap reasons

I'm guessing the prices just aren't very good for assets that have big salaries. Hard to see Tony and Stromer being moved if we're being offered less than full price.

 

[bl02]

I'm guessing the prices just aren't very good for assets that have big salaries. Hard to see Tony and Stromer being moved if we're being offered less than full price.

Totally and would obviously cut back on the demand. Would work out for us if we could convince those two to take reasonable contracts and not have us overpay A bit like we did With Trouba and kreider.

 

[Trxjw]

Is it true Krug turned down 6.5 for 6 years from Boston? Does he think he’s gonna get 7 plus million for 6 plus years? And in a better spot than Boston? That’s a gutsy call

That's the rumored offer from Boston, yeah. It's been speculated for a while that Detroit is ready to throw a big contract at Krug and that he'd really like to play there. Hometown deal.

 

[Kovalev27]

I feel like I'm always underestimating Tony's value around here but I gotta say, I don't think 6 for TDA and 22 is very good value for us. Don't get me wrong, I'm as high on Sanderson as the next guy, but giving up DeAngelo for a huge gamble doesn't seem like the kind of move Gorton would make.

agreed. You want to talk about Tony for #6 straight up? Ok I’m listening. In fact I might even still listen if it’s tony and 22 for their 6th and 2nd rounder. But 22 and tony for 6?

no that’s too much

 

[True Blue]

It’s not about the age it’s about the money. Rangers never get bargain contracts. Point makes 2nd liner money. Hedman makes less money than Trouba. Etc.

The circumstances surrounding those players are far, far different.

Also, what about ZBad's contrac does not scream "bargain to you"? Even Krieder took less to stay. How does DeAngelo's contract look like to you? Or Fox's?

 

[Ghost of jas]

That's not how Boston sports work. OEL would go there, realize his potential and be a stud #1 RHD until he's 39.

He's moving to his off side?

 

[Kovalev27]

If we got Cozens and 8 for Deangelo id lose my mind. What a robbery that would be for us.

that would be an absurd offer from Buffalo with zero chance of happening

 

[Off Sides]

When Stamkos first played in the NHL at 18 years old in 2008, Tampa had Lecavalier as a 28 year old.

The 10 year age difference between those two players is going to be about the same as Panarin, Zbad, Kreider to Kakko, Laf.

If I were the Rangers I'd be pretty careful about which age grouping to be primarily supporting.