Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LX

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Shock and awe us, Gorts.

Do something amazing and unforeseen.

Usually I'm all for stuff like this, and last offseason was the most exciting I can remember, but this time around i'm in favor of a "boring" approach with regards to wheeling and dealing. Bridging Strome + ADA, getting Fast back on a nice team friendly deal, and then just making our picks at 1 and 22 would be more than enough to get me hyped for next season.

 

[Trxjw]

Laine #2 on the board

I was told there’s no way Winnipeg trades him

Feels like he went from "cornerstone" to "headache" in a hurry. I'm sure if they could get a legit 2C and/or a really good RD to pair with Morrisey they'd pull the trigger.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yes. Go look at these deals historically. That gets it done.

I hear you, but when was the last time a 23 y/o center, who was recently a #2OA pick, with four point/game seasons under his belt with the most recent being 94 pts pro rated got dealt? There really are no comparables.

I think Eichel gets a premium to historical returns. Even if only 2-3 teams are realistic bidders for his services.

Edit: Not a Kakko/Laf premium. But the prospect is going to hurt big time, and their may be a 5th piece.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I’d be surprised at this point of Laine wasn’t moved. Way too much smoke around that for it not to happen

Him going to the Isles would be interesting

Laine for Pulock+?

 

[Levitate]

I’d be surprised at this point of Laine wasn’t moved. Way too much smoke around that for it not to happen

Him going to the Isles would be interesting

Isles lacking some draft picks might make that hard

 

[mas0764]

If we’re talking about Deangelo for Cozens and 8, and someone mentioned Deangelo for 6. What about Deangelo + 22 + Lias + Hajek for 6 + Zegras?

DeAngelo for Zegras is way preferred - by me - than DeAngelo for 6.

Love Zegras.

And it's in the bag that we're walking away with a top 6 center rather than any temptation for them to draft a LD instead.

Want that center bad.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Feels like he went from "cornerstone" to "headache" in a hurry. I'm sure if they could get a legit 2C and/or a really good RD to pair with Morrisey they'd pull the trigger.

Winnipeg will always have a hell of a time getting players to come there and/or stay there. I would feel bad for them if they didn't have such an irritating fanbase.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

DeAngelo for Zegras is way preferred - by me - than DeAngelo for 6.

Love Zegras.

And it's in the bag that we're walking away with a top 6 center rather than any temptation for them to draft a LD instead.

Want that center bad.

I feel like Zegras is as untouchable as they get. Not that he's a guaranteed star or even legit 1C but that franchise is hurting hard for some talent he's their best shot.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Been saying it from the beginning re: Laine.

He's not a player you give 8 years and $9 million a year too. Chevy isn't a dummy. Good luck to who does. He's too one dimensional and does not have any impact on the game if he doesn't have space to shoot.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Back then there wasn’t a flat cap either. And I think Chytil has shown more than both of Dubi and AA.

While I agree Chytil has more potential, Dubinsky was a solid 2 way topic 6 center who put up over 200pts in his first 5 seasons with the Rangers, netting 20 goals/40pts as season. I dont think Chytil has topped 25pts yet in a season.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Feels like he went from "cornerstone" to "headache" in a hurry. I'm sure if they could get a legit 2C and/or a really good RD to pair with Morrisey they'd pull the trigger.

Imo it’s obvious Maurice isn’t a fan, and it’s clear that the Jets organization LOVES Paul Maurice, for whatever reason.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

i really want Laine on the Isles. Giving up a shitton of assets for a guy that will score 35-40 and then cost you your playoff series for serious lack of defensive awareness is exactly what id like to see them pay top dollar for.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Been saying it from the beginning re: Laine.

He's not a player you give 8 years and $9 million a year too. Chevy isn't a dummy. Good luck to who does. He's too one dimensional and does not have any impact on the game if he doesn't have space to shoot.

As a Laine fantasy owner last season I believe I have the expertise to tell you that he's kind of become a different player, I guess more well rounded and an underrated playmaker, but at the cost of neutering his most dangerous weapon. Idk if the injuries have kind of blunted his shot a little bit but I saw very little of that elite laser we saw his first 2 years.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

i really want Laine on the Isles. Giving up a shitton of assets for a guy that will score 35-40 and then cost you your playoff series for serious lack of defensive awareness is exactly what id like to see them pay top dollar for.

Doesn't strike me as a Lou type of player, very doubtful they go after him.

 

[Tawnos]

Well the Rangers are gonna do what they are gonna do and we have no say in it. What they are trying to do might be both compete now and set themselves up for the future, but as the old proverb goes, those who walk in the middle of the street get hit by cars on both sides. I have to ask, why are they better suited for getting players for both now and in the future? Why not get a player for each instead of one player that fulfills both roles? Why not go out and acquire a stud prospect center, and then sign a vet like Erik Haula, Carl Soderberg, Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, someone who can hold that spot down for a year or two? Why is trading for Lindholm better than that? I'm not sure I would agree.

They have Trouba, Zibenejad, Panarin and Kreider who are 26, 27, 28 and 29, but their true core is absolutely the 25 and under crowd (and really, the 22 and under crowd, because other than Shesterkin, I could argue no one in those 25 or 24 categories are true cornerstones moving forward).

..........

They need another center for that 22 and under group, not 25 and up.

I think this point needs to be reinforced: The Rangers true hope of winning a Cup, or Cups, does not lie with Trouba, Zibanejad, Panarin, and Kreider. Those four do not have a prayer in the world of carrying a team to a Cup.

It's not until Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, and perhaps 1-2 others from that list have joined them in the upper echelon of NHLers that the team has a real chance at being more than a run of the mill playoff team. And if we have to wait for those guys, then we are waiting on about 10 other guys who will all be entering their primes at about the same time. THAT's the winning core, then. Not Zibanejad at 29 and Kreider at 31. The value of those four (Trouba, Zibanejad, Panarin, and Kreider) is to be the elder vets supporting the elite Kakko/Kravtsov/Chytil/Lafreniere/Fox (and hopefully another center) core.

You wrote a lot of text here that's based on what I think is a faulty premise, which is that the best chance for the Rangers to win the Cup will *only* come after the 25+ players are gone or ineffective. The Rangers have a strong chance to win the Cup is going to come while the current 25+ and the 25- group are *both* capable of major contributions. That moment is coming up very quickly, and specifically, we're probably talking about 21-22 to 24-25. In other words, starting the year after next.

What having the under 25 group be strong does is create a situation where those years won't be the only chance we have. The team will stay competitive and in contention after the 25+ guys are done being effective.

Obviously, this is all assuming that the youth doesn't flame out, which isn't guaranteed. We're in it now, so you have to operate as if they won't.

 

[Trxjw]

Winnipeg will always have a hell of a time getting players to come there and/or stay there. I would feel bad for them if they didn't have such an irritating fanbase.

Weirdly enough I could see Laine's landing spot being tied to the Rangers activities. Anaheim and Buffalo I believe have both been linked to him. Both of those teams have asked about TDA and both have a RHD I bet the Jets would be interested in for Laine. So it's entirely possible that they're kicking tires on replacements like ADA if they made a move for Laine.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Doesn't strike me as a Lou type of player, very doubtful they go after him.

Yeah too young and too talented

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Weirdly enough I could see Laine's landing spot being tied to the Rangers activities. Anaheim and Buffalo I believe have both been linked to him. Both of those teams have asked about TDA and both have a RHD I bet the Jets would be interested in for Laine. So it's entirely possible that they're kicking tires on replacements like ADA if they made a move for Laine.

Maybe we’ll see a fabled three way trade this offseason

 

[Trxjw]

Imo it’s obvious Maurice isn’t a fan, and it’s clear that the Jets organization LOVES Paul Maurice, for whatever reason.

Yeah they have a lot of faith in him. I thought he would've been canned by now.

 

[Savant]

DeAngelo for Zegras is way preferred - by me - than DeAngelo for 6.

Love Zegras.

And it's in the bag that we're walking away with a top 6 center rather than any temptation for them to draft a LD instead.

Want that center bad.

Get that out of your head. It’s not happening.

 

[Trxjw]

Maybe we’ll see a fabled three way trade this offseason

Could be the kind of year for it but I think it's probably more of a dominoes situation. Something like Reinhart and Montour for Laine and Roslovic. Then the Sabres turn around and make a deal with us for DeAngelo to fill the hole left by Montour on the right side. Say Gorton has incriminating photos of Adams and we get Cozens, Hutton, and #8 for Tony and Georgiev.

Jets fill two big holes in their lineup. Sabres add a shit ton of offense, solidify their goaltending a little bit, and probably keep Eichel happy for a while. Rangers stop having to worry about their PPQB saying something stupid on his podcast while getting into the top-10 of a deep draft and also add a premium center prospect who can play in the NHL next year.

Rangers deal #8 and Strome to get to 5 and take Jake Sanderson.

 

[Avery16]

Time to re-name this the Roster Wishcasting Thread.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Time to re-name this the Roster Wishcasting Thread.

Thats what this thread has always been.

 

[SA16]

Imo it’s obvious Maurice isn’t a fan, and it’s clear that the Jets organization LOVES Paul Maurice, for whatever reason.

He's not a fan but he gave him the 2nd most TOI among W on the team at both 5v5 and all situations after Connor? Not like they have nobody else Wheeler/Ehlers are also there.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He's not a fan but he gave him the 2nd most TOI among W on the team at both 5v5 and all situations after Connor? Not like they have nobody else Wheeler/Ehlers are also there.

Yes.