Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LX

[NYRangers0723]

Hajek and Howden are underwhelming. Henriksson lacks size and speed. Nils is the only one with significant upside

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Agree to disagree. I’m not saying it’s a steal for us. But not an awful trade

 

[MarkMessyay11]

We don’t have a second rounder

Georgiev...

 

[JimmyG89]

I don't mind Strome for a year or two. We know he could play wing if needed (not really on this team, but versatility is nice) and he's not an older player.

My concern is that he could be looking for a 4 or 5 year deal. That is a no go for me. Gorton does need to play his cards well on this one. He produced at a high level for one season here.

He meshes well with Panarin and Fast was able to be the defensive mind of the forwards. I'm not sure there is a two way RW type that could play that role on this roster. Getting that more defensive minded center opens up RW for the group of young players we have.

Maybe Kakko could go there, as he has shown in his younger years that he is defensively responsible, but it would be a big jump from him from this season. He's still learning in the NHL. And that may end up being the thing. Eventually these guys have to go and do it and you'll deal with the struggles while he is learning.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Georgiev...

Mannnn based on what I’m seeing I just don’t think we’re gonna get that for Georgie

hope I’m wrong. Also idk if we’re gonna trade him now anyway

 

[True Blue]

If Chytil could develop a give-and-go game and figure out face offs, he could be that guy. I have concerns about his playmaking ability. IF he figures center out, he is a dangerous weapon. If not, then he is a winger and the Rangers have better options at wing than him. I think this could be a deciding season for the Rangers concerning Chytil. That is not to say he never gets it, but if he doesn't this year, he may have to figure it out somewhere else.

Does Chytil need to show something this year? Sure. Does it mean if he does not net 50 points that he is sent to figure it out elsewhere? Not sure why.

This is still a 20 year old kid. He has to develop physically. He needs to develop his game. That might take some time. Look how long it took ZBad to make that turn. Saying that this is a deciding season for a 20 year old seems a bit short sighted by management. I doubt that is the case. Which does not mean that he may not be used as an asset in a trade, but in and of itself as long as he continues to take steps forward, there are reasons to believe.

 

[True Blue]

Committing big money to Torey Krug is a disaster in the making.

Yeah. Talk about ingredients that do not belong in this stew.....

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

What shut down first pairing LD is available?

He will take the spot of ADA now, only difference is we need the LD more than the RD.

I see your point by moving a PPQB specialist from RD to LD, but ADA is younger and would most likely come cheaper(RFA vs UFA). I'm not sure that move solves our problems. To answer your first question, agreed, top pairing minute eating shut down Dmen are very hard to come by. I guess my feeling is that this doesn't need to be done/filled over night. It's going to take time and being patient is a crucial piece of a rebuild.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Mannnn based on what I’m seeing I just don’t think we’re gonna get that for Georgie

hope I’m wrong. Also idk if we’re gonna trade him now anyway

I didn't mean Georgiev alone. But if Edmonton likes him more than most other option available, I don't see why 22 + Georgiev (in place of a 2nd) doesn't get us there. Rangers are probably more hesitant to move him now that Hank is gone, but if there's someone still available at 14 that they really like, I would think they pull the trigger. There's no shortage of replacement back up goalies on the market.

 

[Fireonk]

I see your point by moving a PPQB specialist from RD to LD, but ADA is younger and would most likely come cheaper(RFA vs UFA). I'm not sure that move solves our problems. To answer your first question, agreed, top pairing minute eating shut down Dmen are very hard to come by. I guess my feeling is that this doesn't need to be done/filled over night. It's going to take time and being patient is a crucial piece of a rebuild.

The premise is more that ADA is probably the best asset we would consider trading that might land us another key piece of the puzzle. Too many RD and once Fox needs a raise way too much money committed all to the same position. Krug replaces him for free so other than cap you aren't doing much to not be patient there.

Ultimately, I dont necessarily disagree with you and there is certainly no guarantee we could/would land Krug anyway. More just my idle musings for the day. Admit it, that lineup looks like it would be super fun to watch!

 

[bl02]

We have 23 mil in cap space, with the following to sign:

Strome: 5 mil
DeAngelo: 5 mil
Fast: 3 mil
Georgiev: 1.5 mil
Lemieux: 1.5 mil
Lafreniere: 925k

That gives us 12 forwards, 5 dmen and 2 goalies. We need to add 2 more dmen (with Smith being the lone spare).

Assuming my estimates are correct, that's a total of 16.925 mil, and we will likely have another 4 mil used due to us exceeding the bonus cushion. That leaves us with 2 mil to sign/promote 2 dmen.

If Fast isn't resigned, and instead replaced for about 1 mil, then we have a bit more to work with. Otherwise, any trades will likely involve roughly equal money in and out.

Man I truly hope in flat cap year or two we don't give Strome 5. Was thinking 4-4.25ish but I guess if its for a year or two can deal with it.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If Chytil could develop a give-and-go game and figure out face offs, he could be that guy. I have concerns about his playmaking ability. IF he figures center out, he is a dangerous weapon. If not, then he is a winger and the Rangers have better options at wing than him. I think this could be a deciding season for the Rangers concerning Chytil. That is not to say he never gets it, but if he doesn't this year, he may have to figure it out somewhere else.

One interesting possibility if they were to get Eichel, and do it without trading Chytil, is it allows you to run Zibanejad-Eichel-Chytil down the middle for 2 years (or more likely, 1 1/2 if you do the deal at the deadline), and see if you’ve developed a suitable replacement for Zibs in-house before you make a decision on his next contract...

 

[Fitzy]

Man I truly hope in flat cap year or two we don't give Strome 5. Was thinking 4-4.25ish but I guess if its for a year or two can deal with it.

I'd wager he'd get somewhere between 4.7 and 5 at an arbitration hearing, so we should aim for slightly less than that.

 

[Edge]

Mannnn based on what I’m seeing I just don’t think we’re gonna get that for Georgie

hope I’m wrong. Also idk if we’re gonna trade him now anyway

I think Georgiev's rough value is around a second round pick.

So if you're talking about 22 and Georgiev, that could theoretically be attractive for the Oilers.

My guess is that it would really depend on who the Rangers are eyeing and where they fall.

If Lundell is sitting there that becomes a legit possibility. There's probably a few other guys they'd seriously consider there.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think Georgiev's rough value is around a second round pick.

So if you're talking about 22 and Georgiev, that could theoretically be attractive for the Oilers.

My guess is that it would really depend on who the Rangers are eyeing and where they fall.

If Lundell is sitting there that becomes a legit possibility. There's probably a few other guys they'd seriously consider there.

Matherson said that the Oilers will only move back if Jarvis or Askarov are gone

If Lundell is there I’d be pretty happy with 22+Gyorg for 14

 

[Edge]

Matherson said that the Oilers will only move back if Jarvis or Askarov are gone

If Lundell is there I’d be pretty happy with 22+Gyorg for 14

I'd be happy with Mercer there as well.

I suspect the Rangers would consider Guhle there.

I know people aren't going to love this response but I think Holloway and Lapierre could be in play there for the Rangers.

 

[mas0764]

Rumor: - Oilers will move #14 for late 1st and a 2nd

Apparently oilers are willing to deal 14 and move back in the 1st round if they can add a 2nd rounder, could be a fit with nyr?

We don't have a second, but I'd surely be trying to get that deal if Lundell falls.

 

[GAGLine]

Man I truly hope in flat cap year or two we don't give Strome 5. Was thinking 4-4.25ish but I guess if its for a year or two can deal with it.

I've wondered previously if Strome would sign his QO. It makes some sense from his POV. He gets to UFA ASAP, he's not exposed to Seattle, and he gets to play another year with Panarin to further increase his value.

With the trade of Staal and the buy out of Hank, we can afford to give him 5 mil, which is probably his market rate, though he could be on his way out as well. I think Gorton is going to be wheeling and dealing.

 

[rangers1314]

I think Georgiev's rough value is around a second round pick.

So if you're talking about 22 and Georgiev, that could theoretically be attractive for the Oilers.

My guess is that it would really depend on who the Rangers are eyeing and where they fall.

If Lundell is sitting there that becomes a legit possibility. There's probably a few other guys they'd seriously consider there.

Do you know if the Rangers have their eye on any 2nd round guys who they might deal AG in order to grab?

 

[GAGLine]

We don't have a second, but I'd surely be trying to get that deal if Lundell falls.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Maybe we pick up a 2nd in a deal for Georgiev or Strome, or maybe they'd take 22 and Georgiev for 14.

 

[Edge]

We don't have a second, but I'd surely be trying to get that deal if Lundell falls.

I'm not gonna lie, if Edmonton called me tomorrow and wanted to have a preliminary deal in place for 22 and Georgiev should Jarvis and Askarov both be off the board, I'd make that deal --- even without knowing if Lundell is there.

I feel confident that someone the Rangers really like is going to be there.

 

[Edge]

Edmonton, along with Carolina and Chicago, are potential candidates for Georgiev. As is San Jose.

So there are at least two paths to moving up with someone like Edmonton.

You could, theoretically, flip 22 and Georgiev. Or, if you can get San Jose to agree to their higher second, you could flip that pick and 22 for 14.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I'm not gonna lie, if Edmonton called me tomorrow and wanted to have a preliminary deal in place for 22 and Georgiev should Jarvis and Askarov both be off the board, I'd make that deal --- even without knowing if Lundell is there.

I feel confident that someone the Rangers really like is going to be there.

Guhle at 14 would make me very upset. I just dont feel like he could possibly be BPA there.

 

[Edge]

Guhle at 14 would make me very upset. I just dont feel like he could possibly be BPA there.

I completely understand and I respect that.

I will say the Rangers are very high on him. He's definitely in their top 20, quite possibly even closer to the top 10 for them.

So it's more of an FYI than anything else.

 

[Edge]

Do you know if the Rangers have their eye on any 2nd round guys who they might deal AG in order to grab?

Sorry, I missed this.

Predicting the second round is very difficult, there's just so many variables and missing pieces of the map. For example, Robertson was viewed as potentially being a pick in the latter-half of last year's first round. So he's a name that wouldn't necessarily have come up if someone asked me about second round picks last year.

But here are some names they had positive things to share about:

O'Rourke
Bordeleau
Wiesblatt
Hunt
Finley
Faber
Powell
Biondi

 

[Polar Bear]

I'd be happy with Mercer there as well.

I suspect the Rangers would consider Guhle there.

I know people aren't going to love this response but I think Holloway and Lapierre could be in play there for the Rangers.

I really don't get the Holloway hate if we take him at 22. Laf plus Holloway would be a really great first day.