Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[KirkAlbuquerque]

All the best for Bobby Ryan, but don’t see what he does to make the Rangers better. Doesn’t really help anything they are bad at.

exactly. He's purely a skill player and his skills are declining. He won't make us tougher to play against, win faceoffs, better defensively etc. Big time pass. Good luck to him though.

 

[RGY]

Bobby Ryan is not just a purely skill player.

In his career he has been a physical player who has not shied away from contact.

Perspectively, he was ranked 85th among forwards in Hits in 2016-2017. That is good for the top 25% of the league among forwards. Other names that surrounded him in that ranking were guys like Andrew Ladd and Evander Kane. Ryan is no softie.

You may not be interested in him but lets not just make shit up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bobby Ryan isn’t really a fit here.

is he gonna play top 6 minutes? Nope. Will he get pp time? Maybe on unit 2.

Is he going to improve this teams defense and PK? Nope.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Bobby Ryan isn’t really a fit here.

is he gonna play top 6 minutes? Nope. Will he get pp time? Maybe on unit 2.

Is he going to improve this teams defense and PK? Nope.

Can he play center? Nope. If Buchnevich gets dealt for a legit center and Strome they sell high then maybe I see a fit but I’m not to give away a player to sign Ryan. I’d take the chance if somehow they make trades for needs and make room at the same time. I rather go after someone like Domi or someone in the age group of this team.

 

[Krams]

@Krams i brought up the career stats because he is being compared to when we brought in Taylor freaking Pyatt. Like cmon. Thats just absurd and obnoxious at the same time. And why wouldnt he get PP2 minutes?

I think half the people who dont want to entertain Ryan are just salivating over every prospect getting an opportunity, being handed over minutes when they havent even proven they should be on the roster yet...and the other half are acting like there are significantly better bottom 6 options that would come on the cheap when we are navigating a cap situation. Maybe Bobby Ryan doesnt sign near the league minimum, then this conversation is over, but if he does yea I am interested in giving him a look. It is a low risk option for a guy who has, again, had a good career

Of course Pyatt couldn't hold a candle to Ryan in his prime, but we're well past his prime now and the comparison was intended in the context of their usage. Both bottom six players who don't kill penalities or drive the play.

Who would he be replacing on PP2, assuming both Strome/ADA are back? They play 3 F / 2D on the second unit. Buchnevich, Kakko, or Chytil? Lafreniere will also be occupying a spot on either the 1st or 2nd unit. Buch should be an obvious no, and do you really want to give 33yo Bobby Ryan ice time over Chytil and Kakko? Do you think he puts up anywhere near .47 P/GP with no powerplay time?

I'm not opposed to exploring a veteran RW/C. But I would want that player to be versatile and fill a hole, specifically on the PK.

 

[RGY]

Of course Pyatt couldn't hold a candle to Ryan in his prime, but we're well past his prime now and the comparison was intended in the context of their usage. Both bottom six players who don't kill penalities or drive the play.

Who would he be replacing on PP2, assuming both Strome/ADA are back? They play 3 F / 2D on the second unit. Buchnevich, Kakko, or Chytil? Lafreniere will also be occupying a spot on either the 1st or 2nd unit. Buch should be an obvious no, and do you really want to give 33yo Bobby Ryan ice time over Chytil and Kakko? Do you think he puts up anywhere near .47 P/GP with no powerplay time?

I'm not opposed to exploring a veteran RW/C. But I would want that player to be versatile and fill a hole, specifically on the PK.

Well I said very early on in this, and I get that you might not have seen it, that Ryan would be a consideration if we moved out one of Strome/Buch. Preferably Strome. If Buch is going out the door, it better be for Lindholm coming back to be the 2C. Regardless of the Buch for Lindholm, I think they should still move on from Strome.

Not everyone in your Bottom 6 has to have PK ability. I completely agree with trying to find versatile forwards. But I also see value here with Ryan for what he might cost vs what he can bring to the table. And again, he isnt my 1st option.

 

[bobbop]

I must have missed the part where 35 points in the bottom 6 is considered horrible.

A veteran forward who has had a good career at the league minimum is a good option. Maybe its not their 1st option, but its an option. How hard is this to comprehend? You are making it seem like we would be handing out a big check overpaying someone vet to play in the bottom 6.

@Krams i brought up the career stats because he is being compared to when we brought in Taylor freaking Pyatt. Like cmon. Thats just absurd and obnoxious at the same time. And why wouldnt he get PP2 minutes?

I think half the people who dont want to entertain Ryan are just salivating over every prospect getting an opportunity, being handed over minutes when they havent even proven they should be on the roster yet...and the other half are acting like there are significantly better bottom 6 options that would come on the cheap when we are navigating a cap situation. Maybe Bobby Ryan doesnt sign near the league minimum, then this conversation is over, but if he does yea I am interested in giving him a look. It is a low risk option for a guy who has, again, had a good career

His skills make no sense in the bottom six. He’s not a penalty killer nor does he bring any sandpaper. Nice personal story, just not the right fit.

 

[Machinehead]

Draft Day 2020

Donnie returns

 

[Krams]

Well I said very early on in this, and I get that you might not have seen it, that Ryan would be a consideration if we moved out one of Strome/Buch. Preferably Strome. If Buch is going out the door, it better be for Lindholm coming back to be the 2C. Regardless of the Buch for Lindholm, I think they should still move on from Strome.

Not everyone in your Bottom 6 has to have PK ability. I completely agree with trying to find versatile forwards. But I also see value here with Ryan for what he might cost vs what he can bring to the table. And again, he isnt my 1st option.

If we move one of those two, then their presence on the PP should be replaced by Lafreniere. If both are dealt, then I would hope we acquired a 2nd line center as part of the return, who would likely replace Strome on the powerplay leaving no room for Ryan unless he took the place of either Chytil/Kakko. Ryan had 60+ minutes on the PP with Ottawa this season, i.e. 30 powerplays, put up 0 points and was on the ice for 2 PPG and 1 SHG against. Lol

Is it possible Ryan has something left in the tank on a 1-year deal? Sure. But his production offensively is limited by his minutes on the PP, and I don't think he'd get many. His theoretical spot in the lineup would be better served by a guy who can play a 200ft game and kill penalties.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Draft Day 2020

Donnie returns

As far as I’m concerned, he never left.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

It seems like the very moment a player becomes available, there’s an argument why we should bring that player here.

For every Prospal and Fedotenko, there are a hundred Ryan Malones.

Bobby Ryan makes no sense for us. And we make no sense for him.

Now, can we please get back to more important discussions please? Like:

• Ryan Strome
• Shattenkirk over Staal Buyout
• Staal still hasn’t been Bought Out
• McDonagh/JT Miller Fleecing
• Lundqvist buyout
• Howden sucks
• Lias “Bust” Andersson
• Why’d we sign Boyle over Stralman
• Should we have traded Callahan
• Wade Dreadden
• Taking the team away from Jagr
• Drury + Gomez’s contracts
• Rozsival Suxxxxxx

 

[egelband]

Of course. But you don’t offer him anything tied to his previous salary or close to it in dollar value. I can’t see any real problem if one of the greatest players the team has ever had and one of the best ever at his position retires and signs on as, say, a goalie consultant for $250K/year.

You’re 100% right. Obviously the Rangers aren’t going to say, ‘hey, we’ll pay you all your salary to be our, uhhhh, Food and Beverage Consultant’. It’s a relative thing. Henrik and the Rangers agree to keep working together in a reasonable and normal way post-retirement. It’s not all of his salary, of course, but it’s ensuring the relationship continues post-retirement. As long as there’s no crazy quid-pro-quo it’s totally cool.

 

[egelband]

All the best for Bobby Ryan, but don’t see what he does to make the Rangers better. Doesn’t really help anything they are bad at.

This is the best comment on the Ryan question, for me.

 

[huerter]

How are we all coping with the fact that we are gonna lost Fast AND that our team is dumb enough to let it happen?

 

[Krams]

How are we all coping with the fact that we are gonna lost Fast AND that our team is dumb enough to let it happen?

Do you want to give him a blank check? I like Fast as much as the next guy but you need to carefully manage how much you spend on support players.

 

[huerter]

Do you want to give him a blank check? I like Fast as much as the next guy but you need to carefully manage how much you spend on support players.

One of our best players. And you don't let it get to this point.

 

[JimmyG89]

Ryan is going to go somewhere he could possibly win a cup in a secondary role. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs super cheap with either Pittsburgh. Edmonton has opportunities for a player like him.

If he wants to be in a more primary role, the Devils are a fit. Maybe Buffalo. Tampa is going to have a roster shuffle after this season and could use another forward on a minimum type deal.

The Rangers are not a fit at all. Does anyone want him taking minutes from players like Kakko, Kravtsov, Gauthier, Buchnevich, etc.

 

[Krams]

One of our best players. And you don't let it get to this point.

He is not one of the best players on the team lol, he's a valuable support player. I'm sure the team has had discussions with him regarding an extension, what are you expecting? Give him what he wants and call it a day?

 

[egelband]

One of our best players. And you don't let it get to this point.

Shit happens. I hope the man gets paid. If he decides he wants to take less with us, that’s great. But sometimes these things just aren’t meant to be. Even if we had $4m extra right now, I’m not sure the Rangers can afford that for a 3RW down the line.

 

[huerter]

He is not one of the best players on the team lol, he's a valuable support player. I'm sure the team has had discussions with him regarding an extension, what are you expecting? Give him what he wants and call it a day?

5:15

 

[Krams]

5:15

Ok.

 

[Tob]

Never trust a man with two first names. If he wants to sign for league minimum plus a few hundred thousand then yes, you don't turn down a skilled player because there are always injuries for days. We were flush with options at center in November but we were making jokes about how Andersson who had bailed at that point would have been 2C/3C by January. We could find the perfect B6 PK guy like Fast but cheaper and look great on paper with a bit of everything but sometimes loading up on skill works out better in the end.

 

[Irishguy42]

Just because a coach says someone is our best player does not automatically mean he is our best player. This is the same man who approves the defense scheme of giving up the neutral zone and the blue line on the regular. Makes you think...

That being said, independently, Fast is an important player for the Rangers. Important enough to give a 3x3 deal or more? No.

 

[huerter]

Ok.

I never said he was our best player. I agree that it's a bit aggressive. He's just one of them.

 

[Avery16]