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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

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As others have mentioned, the Rangers can't offer Lundqvist a role with the team that pays him what he'd lose out if he retired. Not only would that be cap circumvention but a waste of money as he'll getting paid more then most head coaches and GMs in the league.

They can offer him a position and give him compensation relative to that role.

Now for some fantasy, my odds on different scenarios playing out:

Lundqvist:
  • Lundqvist retiring: 50%
  • Lundqvist bought out: 30%
  • Lundqvist retained: 20%
Staal:
  • Staal bought out: 40%
Misc:
  • One of Staal (Bought out) or Lundqvist (Bought out/retires): 90%
  • Both Staal (Bought out) and Lundqvist (Bought out/retires): 40%
 
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MrAlmost said:
No. Just saying in general, finding these quality players that often sign for very cheap give the team excellent depth. When the Rangers are ready to compete though, they should keep their ear to the ground for sure.
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A lot of times those kind of signings work because the player is nearing the end of his career and is looking for one more chance to win. Or, like Shattenkirk, he's being paid a lot of money by another team.

Overall, those players work because there's already an established core and they are being asked to augment that core, not be a large part of building one.
 
I’m sure Bobby Ryan will be looking for an opportunity to prove he can still be an effective player. It will be less about the money and more about potential fit. I could see a team like Pittsburgh being all over that. Although the Rangers should be an attractive location as well if there’s interest.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I’m sure Bobby Ryan will be looking for an opportunity to prove he can still be an effective player. It will be less about the money and more about potential fit. I could see a team like Pittsburgh being all over that. Although the Rangers should be an attractive location as well if there’s interest.
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At a low price I see minimal risk for a still rebuilding team like us.
 
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In the West, I could see a team like the Avs or Oilers (Like they did with Neal, even though that was a trade) making a push for Ryan. Teams with very talented young centers. Not only could it help his numbers but be on at least (at worst) a playoff team.

In the East, chance to play with very talented but older centers. Teams like the Pens, Boston even the Leafs. Rangers are also another option but as of right now only have 1 very good center in Zbad while those other teams have at least 2.
 
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I don't see how bobby ryan is a fit at all. if we are going to try to sign a cheap bottom 6 veteran we need someone to kill penalties, especially if fast is gone. and I think ideally it would be a guy with past success that could be a lockerroom leader and help the young team learn how to take the next step. ryan doesn't do either of those things.
 
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RGY said:
I am pretty sure this has been mentioned before, but that would be cap circumvention.
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You are allowed to hire him, i'm sure its gonna happen when he is done here anyway. Its not like you are gonna hire him for 1 year at the exact amount he lost, jeez.
 
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slater417 said:
Offering him a contract that would compensate him for any retirement money would 100% be considered cap circumvention.
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Who is gonna offer him the exact amount over 1 year? I didn’t think i had to explain this, he can get long term position with a generous contract that pays him over time some of the money he lost, as long as you don't run and tell Bettman what they are planning. ;)
 
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twotonfrankie1 said:
Aside from taking ice time away from younger players we want to develop, especially if they plan on bringing Kravstov back over.

Including Kravstov if he comes back for the season and excluding Fast, we have on the wing: Kreider, Panarin, Kakko, Laf, Buch, Lemieux, Gauthier and Kravstov. What exactly is Bobby Ryan bringing to this team that is not yet in contender mode? He's barely a 3rd line player anymore and is riddled with injuries.
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Well three of the guys you listed in that group aren't even third liners in the NHL at this point in their career. So by your own admittance he'd be an upgrade on at least 3 of the guys in your projected winger group. Why wouldn't you want an upgrade on a minimal risk contract?

That being said, he probably signs with a team who has a shot to win next year like Boston.
 
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Trxjw said:
Well three of the guys you listed in that group aren't even third liners in the NHL at this point in their career. So by your own admittance he'd be an upgrade on at least 3 of the guys in your projected winger group. Why wouldn't you want an upgrade on a minimal risk contract?

That being said, he probably signs with a team who has a shot to win next year like Boston.
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Sure, but those three guys aren't done developing are they? I sure hope not. Our young talent should be given all the chances to continue to develop, and that doesn't normally happen playing a full season with 9 minutes of ice time on the 4th line or with a washed up player taking time away from them. Rather them play on the 3rd line and fail than to never even get a real chance. This is the year you find out which of those young players step up to the next level in their development.
 
Trxjw said:
Well three of the guys you listed in that group aren't even third liners in the NHL at this point in their career. So by your own admittance he'd be an upgrade on at least 3 of the guys in your projected winger group. Why wouldn't you want an upgrade on a minimal risk contract?

That being said, he probably signs with a team who has a shot to win next year like Boston.
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Eh I dont know. I think the Rangers would have legitimate consideration on Ryan’s part if they showed interest. Boston is an old team. The Rangers are up and coming.

It is no given, but with how Gorton was able to fill holes last offseason, I wouldnt be surprised if he can find a Top 4 LD and a 2C. Whether it be a trade for a mid 20’s player or veteran 1 year stopgap. And if they do that, I think this team can quietly be a threat.
 
twotonfrankie1 said:
Sure, but those three guys aren't done developing are they? I sure hope not. Our young talent should be given all the chances to continue to develop, and that doesn't normally happen playing a full season with 9 minutes of ice time on the 4th line or with a washed up player taking time away from them. Rather them play on the 3rd line and fail than to never even get a real chance. This is the year you find out which of those young players step up to the next level in their development.
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Which is all well and good but that's not really how it works. Teams want these kids to earn their way into the lineup and if they can't beat out a guy like Ryan for a 3rd line job then they're simply not ready for the gig. Having players who can insulate the younger guys while they earn bigger roles has been the foundation of the rebuild thus far.

Of course none of them are done developing but you don't need to gift them a spot for them to develop either. Hell, Kravtsov can play the entire year in the KHL if need be. There's no mandate that he has to skate in the NHL in the shortened season.
 
RGY said:
Eh I dont know. I think the Rangers would have legitimate consideration on Ryan’s part if they showed interest. Boston is an old team. The Rangers are up and coming.

It is no given, but with how Gorton was able to fill holes last offseason, I wouldnt be surprised if he can find a Top 4 LD and a 2C. Whether it be a trade for a mid 20’s player or veteran 1 year stopgap. And if they do that, I think this team can quietly be a threat.
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Well I don't think the Rangers would be offering a multi-year deal to Ryan if they offered him one at all. I think Ryan is probably looking for a chance to win and/or rebuild his brand a bit. We can offer him the 2nd part of that but not the first. Not unless he's planning on hitching his wagon to the team for 3-4 years, which again I doubt the Rangers would be offering.
 
RGY said:
280 points in 859 GP

555 points in 833 GP

These arent the same players. But sure you can try and pass this one off as true...
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What is the purpose of looking at his career point totals? He's 33 years old and a shell of the player he once was. Doesn't kill penalties. Not talented enough to make even the 2nd PP unit on this team. How does he fit here?
 
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BobMarleyNYR said:
You're a year late.

That literally just happened. If they don't at least make the playoffs, something's wrong. I expect a first or even second, MAYBE ESF round loss.
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That literally just happened while having historic years from mika and panarin...if they step back...

We're still there..maybe a little better...maybe a little worse. Hard to say
 
RGY said:
He is a 0.66 PPG player in his career. If he is willing to sign at or near the league minimum...yes I am interested. Is he a must have or am I pumping the tires on this one like Dillon or some others? No.
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Yea and .47 PPG player his last 4 years...

It literally makes no sense to sign him.
 
twotonfrankie1 said:
Yea and .47 PPG player his last 4 years...

It literally makes no sense to sign him.
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I must have missed the part where 35 points in the bottom 6 is considered horrible.

A veteran forward who has had a good career at the league minimum is a good option. Maybe its not their 1st option, but its an option. How hard is this to comprehend? You are making it seem like we would be handing out a big check overpaying someone vet to play in the bottom 6.

@Krams i brought up the career stats because he is being compared to when we brought in Taylor freaking Pyatt. Like cmon. Thats just absurd and obnoxious at the same time. And why wouldnt he get PP2 minutes?

I think half the people who dont want to entertain Ryan are just salivating over every prospect getting an opportunity, being handed over minutes when they havent even proven they should be on the roster yet...and the other half are acting like there are significantly better bottom 6 options that would come on the cheap when we are navigating a cap situation. Maybe Bobby Ryan doesnt sign near the league minimum, then this conversation is over, but if he does yea I am interested in giving him a look. It is a low risk option for a guy who has, again, had a good career
 
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