Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII
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What half season? The season essentially ended for Henrik before the New Years which would make his season all but 3 months. Are you talking about 1.5 months or mean that he was good during these three months?
Otherwise, he might have had decent advance stats and the team defense in front of him offered very little support but he hasn’t been good in important situations which was the reason for his “relegation” to being the third wheel. He absolutely no longer can stop a breakaway whether in a game or SO or make important saves on the PK. Both of these areas used to be his strengths - what gave confidence to his teammates and frustrated opponents. Now he’s probably below average in these areas IMO, which are crucial to a mature team but even more so the developing one where team psyche is not strong.
Paquette is likely a cap casualty in TB . Good energy 4th liner w Lemieux
Also if Hank goes would that 3 million in space not likely go to Fast?
They can still fit in Strome and TDA
Also if Hank goes would that 3 million in space not likely go to Fast?
They can still fit in Strome and TDA
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Dr. Ogrodnick
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Its frustrating, because I feel like there is a decent chance that Henrik ends up retiring after the Rangers buy him out, given all of the various factors: flooded market, henrik looking for a cup shot, family still in new york, flat cap, what does next season look like with covid? Etc.
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If he wants to sign for 1,075,000 max, there's literally no risk
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Dr. Ogrodnick
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Contending for a playoff spot perhaps.
But all teams including the Rangers could use cheap roster filler. Maybe especially the Rangers with their youth.
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There will be teams that will offer him more money and more playing time. If Buch gets traded, maybe it makes sense, but we need to see what we have in Gauthier, and Kravtsov could be in the mix as well. Yeah, Ryan will almost certainly be a better option this year than those two, but he has no future here.
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I personally don't. I consider this to be the transition year... The year we almost become a playoff team... And we're either in or out but we don't trade assets to make it either way(at the deadline)
Aside from taking ice time away from younger players we want to develop, especially if they plan on bringing Kravstov back over.
Including Kravstov if he comes back for the season and excluding Fast, we have on the wing: Kreider, Panarin, Kakko, Laf, Buch, Lemieux, Gauthier and Kravstov. What exactly is Bobby Ryan bringing to this team that is not yet in contender mode? He's barely a 3rd line player anymore and is riddled with injuries.
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Bobby ryans defensive game has improved but his hands are always injured, if that weren't an issue i doubt he would be in this spot now, he's a likeable guy, but I don’t think he is something we need now.
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True, but no one would be expecting him to be what he used to be. They’d be expecting him to be what he is now.
Im not advocating signing him. Just saying, it’s like the Benoit Pouliot effect. What we got out of him wasn’t very good for someone with his draft pedigree, but because we were expecting what he’d become by the time we signed him, we were satisfied if not pleasantly surprised.
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I think there are two legitimate outcomes for Henrik. Retirement or buyout and a new contract. Trade isn't happening. And I just have a hunch that he won't go buyout without knowing for sure he can get a deal at a specific place. Basically, he won't compromise the family experience to bounce around or live separately.
Lundqvist might decide to retire if there is no shot at a new deal. I don't think he's motivated by money on this decision and he can manage his reputation better by not getting bought out. My guess is he is working very closely with Gorton on the next step. They know he won't be playing here again but they won't be an obstacle in continuing his career. Likewise, I believe he will help the team out if there are no opportunities and he'll end up with some kind of job in the organization.
Lundqvist might decide to retire if there is no shot at a new deal. I don't think he's motivated by money on this decision and he can manage his reputation better by not getting bought out. My guess is he is working very closely with Gorton on the next step. They know he won't be playing here again but they won't be an obstacle in continuing his career. Likewise, I believe he will help the team out if there are no opportunities and he'll end up with some kind of job in the organization.
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There is an easy solution to the Lundqvist scenario and that includes offering him a position that would compensate him for what he would lose if he were to retire. Everyone wins, he retires a Ranger, he stays with the team and gets a chance at getting a ring that way and helps move the team forward by allowing them flexibility and the ability to keep Georgiev and all our RFA'S. I mean, him staying for another year does nothing for his legacy or ability to get a cup in NY. The option of a buyout vs this should be appealing unless he wants to continue to play somewhere else.
I am pretty sure this has been mentioned before, but that would be cap circumvention.
Offering him a contract that would compensate him for any retirement money would 100% be considered cap circumvention.
I don’t agree with buying out Hank. I think he can be a solid 1B for the final year of his deal and then we don’t have his dead money on the books.
I would much prefer doing everything possible to sell Smith to a cap floor team for a 5th round pick, trading Georgiev for a 2nd round pick or bottom 6 player, and buying out Staal. Those moves would serve the team better.
I would much prefer doing everything possible to sell Smith to a cap floor team for a 5th round pick, trading Georgiev for a 2nd round pick or bottom 6 player, and buying out Staal. Those moves would serve the team better.
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Of course. But you don’t offer him anything tied to his previous salary or close to it in dollar value. I can’t see any real problem if one of the greatest players the team has ever had and one of the best ever at his position retires and signs on as, say, a goalie consultant for $250K/year.
Really nitpicking here...but yes the first 3 months of the season. He was good. Is he elite anymore? No. But he was good and would be a good 1B especially with a better defense in front of him.
The rest of your post, while it does hold some water, it is very much just your opinion. Pointing to breakaways as a talking point for why Hank isnt good anymore is kinda ridiculous. Those are really 50/50 plays and dont happen as often as youre making it sound. And if they are happening often, is that to be used as an indictment of the goalie or of the pathetic team defense and structure? I think many here, the majority, would say its the latter and not fault Hank for that. To go on a whole rant about how it affects the team and that is some crucial element to a mature team, is almost bizarre.
Now if you want to say he isn’t as quick side to side anymore then yeah that would have been a better argument. But that can be said for a lot of veteran goalies who can still provide serviceable play and win games. If you want to point to being beat over the shoulder constantly because he goes down to quick a lot, sure but that has been is weak point his whole career. Instead you chose breakaways and the SO. A better defensive structure in front of him, which I think they will get with Jacques Martin, will help take some of the weight off of the Goalies. Its 1 more year to finish off his deal. Play 30-35 games. I think he will be very good in those 30-35 games because he will be more rested, which he will need to help with his quickness deteriorating.
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No. Just saying in general, finding these quality players that often sign for very cheap give the team excellent depth. When the Rangers are ready to compete though, they should keep their ear to the ground for sure.
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You're a year late.
That literally just happened. If they don't at least make the playoffs, something's wrong. I expect a first or even second, MAYBE ESF round loss.
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its also hard to judge the 2nd half given the 3 goalie system. he played 10 games in 3 months. not completely without reason but pretty hard to get into a groove and routine that way and hank has always been a guy that plays better the more he plays...if he had been playing regularly every 3 games who knows how he might have looked
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