Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[Vitto79]

TSN that’s hockey saying no trade interest in Lundqvist yet.... they are going to let the market develop

This likely goes to the 2nd buyout window

 

[Avery16]

TSN that’s hockey saying no trade interest in Lundqvist yet.... they are going to let the market develop

This likely goes to the 2nd buyout window

If Hank outlasts all the available goaltenders this offseason and still somehow attracts a trade, he should get a trophy for that alone.

We could call it the Mike McKenna Memorial Cup

Hockey's ultimate journeyman goalie calls it a career | FOX Sports

 

[RGY]

I think its crazy some of you are acting like Henrik is absolutely terrible when the advanced stats show he was pretty good in the 1st half of the season considering how sloppy the defense was in front of him. And considering how piss poor the defense has been in front of him for the last 2 seasons before this past one.

 

[mas0764]

Well if the idea that a team that picked 2nd last draft and is picking first in this one isn't likely to win a Cup in the the next too seasons is far-fetched, I'm not really sure what to say about that. Regardless, there is a plan. The plan is to build a team that will be a consistent contender. Right now, their building that team. And the way to do that is to put young players in situations where they can develop properly — meaning not being asked to do too much.

Everyone is so quick to throw young kids in to the lineup as an easy, quick to solution that is tricky and takes time. How many people penciled Andersson in to the lineup every season? How many people thought Kakko was a lock for 25+ goals? How many people had Kravtsov in the lineup last year?

This franchise (and most franchises, really) has been most successful with younger players/integrating prospects into to the lineup when: they don't rush them, that is make them break down the door and fore their way on to the team. And then earn their ice time and move up in the roster — it's what Kreider, Staal, Callahan, Girardi, McDonaugh, et al did.

That's reason why you retain a Strome so you're not forcing Chytil to do more than he's capable of, right now. And that is the plan.

Granted I’m not trying to ruin any prospects but my premise is that if Strome has trade value, extract that value now and worry about how to protect Chytil afterwards - since we are already admitting we aren’t competing in the next 2 years. Journeymen vets who don’t have trade value are always on the market, who cares if it’s a 3C we have to press into service as a 2C?

I agree that the long term plan should be to build a consistent contender for a decade, but in furtherance of that I really believe we need another top 6 center in the pipeline more in age range of Kakko and Lafreniere and Kravtsov.

 

[egelband]

But Chytil IS there, and looks very close (when he's played with decent wingers). In a Capless world, we could sign everyone and then bury them when Chytil breaks the door down. But if we have to choose between Strome, Buch, and ADA? I'm picking ADA and Buch over Strome every day and twice on Sunday. Strome's offense just isn't good enough to justify his complete lack of defensive effort. If they can make it work, then I'm not opposed to it (either way, Chytil should get some better wingers this year), but I'm just not sure the math works with the flat cap.

Good point. The Cap means some decisions have to be made according to The Cap’s timetable rather than based on organic player development. Sadly.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'd be furious if I was a habs fan.

You don't sign guys till they are 37.

I think it's a fine deal.

It just doesn't make sense for the Habs given where they are.

 

[Kovalev27]

To me it sounds like he’s not sure what he wants to do yet. Waiting to see if a market develops but if one doesn’t I’m not sure he doesn’t retire

makes no sense not to buy him out otherwise

 

[Avery16]

I think it's a fine deal.

It just doesn't make sense for the Habs given where they are.

Oh, it’s a great deal.
...
...
...for Petry.

 

[NYR Viper]

If there was a spot, I’d take a flyer on Bobby Ryan

 

[Crease]

I think its crazy some of you are acting like Henrik is absolutely terrible when the advanced stats show he was pretty good in the 1st half of the season considering how sloppy the defense was in front of him. And considering how piss poor the defense has been in front of him for the last 2 seasons before this past one.

Fans' images of players are skewed by dollar value. Lundqvist is probably a league-average backup but his $8.5M cap hit changes the tone of the conversation.

 

[RGY]

Fans' images of players are skewed by dollar value. Lundqvist is probably a league-average backup but his $8.5M cap hit changes the tone of the conversation.

I think he is well above a league average backup. He can provide solid 1B goaltending still imo. And teams are gona need that next season with the NHL squeezing in 82 games which means more back to backs. We are gona need that.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Oh, it’s a great deal.
...
...
...for Petry.

Hahahaha.

Oh, come on. If it was the 2013 Hawks signing him to that deal, it would be absolutely lauded. The issue is that the Canadiens are nowhere near to contending so they have no business executing such a contract.

 

[Fitzy]

If there was a spot, I’d take a flyer on Bobby Ryan

If we were contenting next year I'd be all in on the idea of bringing in a question mark one-way player project to try to fill out the top 9.

But as it is, I think he'd just end up taking minutes from Kakko, especially on the PP. We're running low on PP spots for forwards.

 

[RGY]

If we were contenting next year I'd be all in on the idea of bringing in a question mark one-way player project to try to fill out the top 9.

But as it is, I think he'd just end up taking minutes from Kakko, especially on the PP. We're running low on PP spots for forwards.

Would he though?

Let’s for argument sake say the Rangers do move out Strome, which I see as opening the 2C spot. And they keep Buch around. Here is how the ES lines look:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-???-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Ryan
Lemmy-Howden-????

Hoping they can acquire Lindholm. If not maybe a stopgap middle 6 vet center option. There are options for sure.

PP units:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-DeAngelo

Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
????-Fox

Could Ryan play the point on PP2? I dont see them putting Ryan in Kakko’s spot. Ryan has played both wings before. Does Lafreniere move to the point and Ryan to the LW spot?

All in all, I think it could work. Of course, if we are getting Lindholm, we are likely trading DeAngelo. Then you have Fox on PP1 and Trouba sliding into PP2. You still end up with 2 talented PP units. And as we see every year, special teams can be a major factor in the playoffs. It was one of the main reasons the Islanders are home now rather than in the SCF. Same with Vegas

 

[Fitzy]

Would he though?

Let’s for argument sake say the Rangers do move out Strome, which I see as opening the 2C spot. And they keep Buch around. Here is how the ES lines look:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-???-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Ryan
Lemmy-Howden-????

Everything else aside, if Chytil and Lafreniere are on the 3rd line I want them with a much, much more defensively responsible player out there than Bobby Ryan. I get he has a chance to bring some offense there, but I would genuinely prefer Jesper Fast in that spot.

If we were at competing level, this is how I'd sort it.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Ryan
Lafreniere-Chytil-Buchnevich

And even that has some major question marks. I think we need more two-way players in our top 9 right now.

 

[RGY]

Everything else aside, if Chytil and Lafreniere are on the 3rd line I want them with a much, much more defensively responsible player out there than Bobby Ryan. I get he has a chance to bring some offense there, but I would genuinely prefer Jesper Fast in that spot.

If we were at competing level, this is how I'd sort it.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Ryan
Lafreniere-Chytil-Buchnevich

And even that has some major question marks. I think we need more two-way players in our top 9 right now.

I dont disagree with your thought process here on balancing out the lines.

 

[bbny]

Everything else aside, if Chytil and Lafreniere are on the 3rd line I want them with a much, much more defensively responsible player out there than Bobby Ryan. I get he has a chance to bring some offense there, but I would genuinely prefer Jesper Fast in that spot.

If we were at competing level, this is how I'd sort it.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Ryan
Lafreniere-Chytil-Buchnevich

And even that has some major question marks. I think we need more two-way players in our top 9 right now.

Saying you'd like a more defensively responsible player on the 3rd line than Bobby Ryan, then putting Buchnevich there is a bit counterintuitive.

I'm 50/50 on the thought of Ryan coming on something like a 1 year deal. I kind of like the idea of a veteran winger (if other than Fast) to push competition for the kids on the right wing. He might be over the hump though. I wouldn't be upset about it, and if we did get him I wouldn't mind these lines, though I'd probably rather swap Buchnevich and Kakko. Let the kids on the 3rd line develop chemistry together. That'd be the future.

 

[egelband]

I think its crazy some of you are acting like Henrik is absolutely terrible when the advanced stats show he was pretty good in the 1st half of the season considering how sloppy the defense was in front of him. And considering how piss poor the defense has been in front of him for the last 2 seasons before this past one.

Yeah. I agree. I think he’s fine. Particularly with corpus rest. The backup spot would be great for him in my opinion.

 

[Avery16]

Roflmao

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I think its crazy some of you are acting like Henrik is absolutely terrible when the advanced stats show he was pretty good in the 1st half of the season considering how sloppy the defense was in front of him. And considering how piss poor the defense has been in front of him for the last 2 seasons before this past one.

Especially when you consider that him taking a downturn in the second half directly correlates to a decrease in playing time. Look, I'm not trying to say he's prime Henrik or a top goalie or anything like that. But he's justified in still thinking he can perform in the NHL and not ready to retire yet. I fully believe he could be a good backup getting 30-35 starts next season behind Igor. If not and he can find his way to a team that plays a more structured game and limits chances, he could surprise people next season. I fully believe if he played behind a team like Vegas (will never happen but using them as reference bc of the MAF parallel people like to draw, just also using them as an example of structured team that limits chances against) he could not only be good but could potentially turn the clock back.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

To me it sounds like he’s not sure what he wants to do yet. Waiting to see if a market develops but if one doesn’t I’m not sure he doesn’t retire

makes no sense not to buy him out otherwise

You're definitely right in the first part from Hank's POV. Second part I think him not getting bought out on day 1 doesn't mean a whole lot. Rangers have a bunch of reasons to wait. SCF is still going on so that's a reason to wait. Potentially wait until the offseason starts and see is a market materializes on Hank, although unlikely. Also could wait it out and see if a trade presents itself for Georgiev. Could drag this out past the draft in that case and take it to the second window. The idea that Hank is waiting to see if a market develops for a trade is more likely than the Georgiev one but either way there's no need to rush it.

 

[Crease]

The ESPN article about bubble life is eye opening. Players were promised families and a street lined with food trucks and shopping. What they got were no families and a prison yard with a Tim Hortons truck. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hank is waiting for some clarity on what next season might look like.

 

[Barnaby]

I wouldn’t be against a guy like Bobby Ryan at the right price for the 3rd line. I always liked him. However, the dollar amount would have to be right and I’d have to know that he felt comfortable residing in NY (or the surrounding area). I wouldn’t want to see him regress and have issues like Fleury did.

 

[egelband]

I wouldn’t be against a guy like Bobby Ryan at the right price for the 3rd line. I always liked him. However, the dollar amount would have to be right and I’d have to know that he felt comfortable residing in NY (or the surrounding area). I wouldn’t want to see him regress and have issues like Fleury did.

That’s a good point. Though to be fair, there are no-good-niks everywhere.

 

[rangers1314]

I wonder about a place like Columbus or Boston for Ryan.