Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[Irishguy42]

I'm sure the team, if they're going to buy out the (arguable) best player in franchise history, is planning to do it with a bit more fanfare than a little 'thank you' graphic and a short paragraph.

And since the FA window doesn't overlap with the first buyout window, there is no rush to do it sooner rather than later.

 

[gravey9]

Glen? That you?

This team isn't winning a championship next year or likely the year after that. The goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And Strome doesn't change that either way for the next season or two. What Strome does do is fill a spot while still being productive and not forcing the Rangers to force Chytil into a top six role. And that lets FC to further develop — which is the better if the goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And if Chytil forces his way in to the top six at the expense of Strome, what a wonderful problem to have.

I agree with all of this. It just depends on the cap implications. Do we prioritize Strome over ADA and Buch? We might! But there's a chance one of these three may have to go...

 

[Leetch3]

dont they still have to be technically placed on waivers for purpose of buy out

pretty sure logistically that needs to happen

my memory from when we bought out richards is that they have to ask him to go on waivers. the player can agree if they think there is a chance someone would claim them at their full salary. but if they say no that counts as 'clearing waivers' and they can buyout the player immediately skipping the waiver period.

 

[Trxjw]

my memory from when we bought out richards is that they have to ask him to go on waivers. the player can agree if they think there is a chance someone would claim them at their full salary. but if they say no that counts as 'clearing waivers' and they can buyout the player immediately skipping the waiver period.

This sounds right. In this case Hank would probably want to skip waivers to avoid the possibility of a "cap vs salary" team picking him up and jeopardizing his opportunity to pick where he wants to play. Very slim chance that would happen but no value in taking the chance.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Markstrom Fleury Crawford Holtby Murray khudobin Greiss are all for sure better goalies than hank right now at this point. Even with their warts.

Andersen if he’s replaced is a better goalie

Talbot Elliott and Howard will be avail.

Reimer or Mrazek will be avail.

Smith Schneider Miller will be avail

Now how many teams are actually looking for a goalie ANd like him over one of those options?

then After cutting it down there how many of those teams would interest hank?

Minnesota could be an option with zucc. Maybe. If they want to go hank and Dubnyk and move stalock.
San Jose maybe. Jones is awful. Is hank going to one of the worst teams in the league? Detroit?

I just don’t see the contender looking at him to step in.

I mean I definitely don't think he's the best guy available, for sure not.

But I do think Lundqvist at 1 year 1 million is a lot more valuable than we think even if they think some of the other guys listed there are better right now. And I think if Lundqvist went to a decently structured team he could definitely bounce back and be an above average guy. I certainly would not rule it out. Watching other teams play and seeing how they limit chances against and don't need their goalies to do the heavy lifting nearly as much as we need ours to, really makes me think if Lundqvist were on a team like Vegas, St. Louis or Colorado he would be putting up above average numbers and all this talk about him being cooked wouldn't be so loud.

I'm not saying there will be a market for him or that contenders will be interested but for capped out teams like Washington or Toronto or internal cap teams like Carolina or Dallas (losing Dobby or Bishop?) I could see that he would be very cheap with decent underlying numbers before Igor came in and he stopped playing being totally worth the risk.

 

[GAGLine]

So Strome's 5 years of bad 5v5 production (and one good year) made him look like a good option to be the 2C heading into the year?

Strome had a lot more experience. You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[huerter]

What are you getting at? Are you insinuating a situation wherein Gorton would trade 1OA and keep it a secret from everyone within the organization?

I'm insinuating that if Bergevin's personal assistant doesn't know the names of the players she is booking flights for then maybe trade rumors are not as reliable as some believe.

 

[Inferno]

Honestly I’d keep henrik and trade gerogiev.

 

[bl02]

Honestly I’d keep henrik and trade gerogiev.

It's looking more and more like the return for Georgiev is crap. I guess we shall see very soon. I'm not trading Georgiev for a late 2nd or 3rd rounder.

 

[Leetch3]

Honestly I’d keep henrik and trade gerogiev.

that option really depends on what you can get for georgiev in a trade...i'd rather keep the 2 young guys even if it means living with dead space. but if he could return a solid bottom 6 guy that we need it might make sense.

 

[haohmaru]

It's looking more and more like the return for Georgiev is crap. I guess we shall see very soon. I'm not trading Georgiev for a late 2nd or 3rd rounder.

We'd be lucky to get a 2nd. L-U-C-K-Y.

 

[mas0764]

Glen? That you?

This team isn't winning a championship next year or likely the year after that. The goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And Strome doesn't change that either way for the next season or two. What Strome does do is fill a spot while still being productive and not forcing the Rangers to force Chytil into a top six role. And that lets FC to further develop — which is the better if the goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And if Chytil forces his way in to the top six at the expense of Strome, what a wonderful problem to have.

But if the goal isn’t to win next year or the year after, why do we need a plan? Why couldn’t we just role with Chytil or an inexpensive vet while trading Strome for assets? I keep seeing the question “If not Strome then who?” but if as you say we aren’t trying to win it all, then does it matter who? Getting assets is still the best plan.

 

[RangersFan1994]

id keep Georgiev and try to trade Hank and offer Andersson to try to get someone to bite. id rather have Hank get his cup like Ray Bourque did than buy him out.

maybe Hank and Andersson to Jackets for Wennberg and 2ed?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Something needs to happen for the sanity of this board.

I don’t think I can handle more Strome talk.

 

[Leetch3]

id keep Georgiev and try to trade Hank and offer Andersson to try to get someone to bite. id rather have Hank get his cup like Ray Bourque did than buy him out.

maybe Hank and Andersson to Jackets for Wennberg and 2ed?

buying him out has zero impact on hank getting a chance at a cup. in fact buying him out increase the chances cause it gives him more options and he can sign at a much lower cap hit

 

[bleedblue94]

I'd be surprised if the Rangers executed the buyout on Hank early on. I think they'll wait until the last minute. Perhaps even waiting until the 2nd buy out window if they're planning on taking anyone to arbitration.

why though? if they have made the decision wouldn't it be best for him to do it early so he has a chance to find a new dance partner if he choses? I'm not playing the henke is more important than the franchise game, but JD did say they would handle this properly. If they are going to buy him out, waiting for the 2nd window or very late in the game could hurt his chances of finding a solid opportunity next year

 

[bl02]

Something needs to happen for the sanity of this board.

I don’t think I can handle more Strome talk.

Yeah it's probably gonna be a long 12 days or so until the draft or at least until the Finals are over. Don't expect much activity. Draft day 1 and 2 should be fun.

 

[mas0764]

Honestly I’d keep henrik and trade gerogiev.

Me too.

 

[Polar Bear]

Can someone explain to me activity has to wait post finals to occur? Teams have been allowed to do trades since they were eliminated from the bubble. I don't understand the logic here?

 

[bl02]

Can someone explain to me activity has to wait post finals to occur? Teams have been allowed to do trades since they were eliminated from the bubble. I don't understand the logic here?

Its an NHL thing
Don't take away from the attention on the finals.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

But if the goal isn’t to win next year or the year after, why do we need a plan? Why couldn’t we just role with Chytil or an inexpensive vet while trading Strome for assets? I keep seeing the question “If not Strome then who?” but if as you say we aren’t trying to win it all, then does it matter who? Getting assets is still the best plan.

Well if the idea that a team that picked 2nd last draft and is picking first in this one isn't likely to win a Cup in the the next too seasons is far-fetched, I'm not really sure what to say about that. Regardless, there is a plan. The plan is to build a team that will be a consistent contender. Right now, their building that team. And the way to do that is to put young players in situations where they can develop properly — meaning not being asked to do too much.

Everyone is so quick to throw young kids in to the lineup as an easy, quick to solution that is tricky and takes time. How many people penciled Andersson in to the lineup every season? How many people thought Kakko was a lock for 25+ goals? How many people had Kravtsov in the lineup last year?

This franchise (and most franchises, really) has been most successful with younger players/integrating prospects into to the lineup when: they don't rush them, that is make them break down the door and fore their way on to the team. And then earn their ice time and move up in the roster — it's what Kreider, Staal, Callahan, Girardi, McDonaugh, et al did.

That's reason why you retain a Strome so you're not forcing Chytil to do more than he's capable of, right now. And that is the plan.

 

[Polar Bear]

Its an NHL thing
Don't take away from the attention on the finals.

Lame.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Can someone explain to me activity has to wait post finals to occur? Teams have been allowed to do trades since they were eliminated from the bubble. I don't understand the logic here?

the NHL is in a world all their own.

 

[Off Sides]

If they keep Strome for one year only, that buys time for them to see what Chytil does while not blocking him further.

If by that point Chytil does not succeeded in becoming the 2c, maybe it's time to look beyond both Strome and Chytil as the 2c?

 

[bobbop]

Its an NHL thing
Don't take away from the attention on the finals.

Believe me, Ottawa heard from the league today. Anyone else who tries to buy a player out before Tuesday will also. Focus on the Finals. Same as the World Series.