Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[Raspewtin]

Smith is the worst buyout candidate for us

It's Staal or no one imo.

 

[bleedblue94]

he’s listed as a wing and has played wing and only has moved to center when needed in which he can’t defend so they put him back to wing. He’s no center

He was a center in college and in the ahl. Once he got to the jets he bounced around in the bottom 6 and PM had a fetish with Little as the 2c. Every so often JR would get a chance and then would be slotted down the lineup. It has often seemed like PM just isn't a fan of JR. So you're both right in that he's been a center and a wing. I think it is unknown what his future NHL place is both as far as position and place in lineup. He would be an interesting target but only at the right price.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think smith is tradeable

I fully expect to see Staal back

and Lundqvist bought out

 

[True Blue]

How many of those 31 teams stand a decent chance at winning a Cup? What are we aiming for here, with optimistically a 57-point 2C?

So now we have gone from looking at top 2 lines on teams and defining it by those teams that have a "decent" chance of winning the Cup?

1) Nice job of moving the goal posts 2) Define what "decent" means.

This is becoming the MIT argument:

"Hey look at that. I graduated from MIT"
"Eh"
"But it's MIT"
"But you did not graduate top-10".

 

[gravey9]

I dont think Strome is a horrible asset. I think he's middle-six depth that has a little cost-control and cost us very little. But on his next contract, he is a luxury we shouldn't prioritize over other players like ADA, Buchnevich or the acquisition of a real 2C with upside. If Strome were to be extended more than two seasons, Zibanejad could factor in as well. He's also just not a very smart player, and still makes rookie mistakes after seven pro seasons.

I'd move him for a 2nd and a B prospect, and I'd move him to get into the top 15 of this draft. I wouldn't mind if he were QOd and he signed it, or if he signed a two-year bridge at nothing more than a marginal raise, as long as it doesn't cost us ADA or Buchnevich or prevents us from otherwise meaningfully improving our roster.

The thing about Strome is, I don't know that he's an ideal 3rd line center. His game is that of a 2C in that he's not amazing in his own zone. And he's not that physical. When the Rangers get to the point where they're a playoff team and contending, I don't think Strome should be our 3C. I don't think he's ideal there. I'm not saying Strome is the most ideal 2nd line center either. But I think his skill set is more 2C than 3C. So, if Chytil proves he's a 2C and a better one than Strome, then Strome's days may be numbered. But it's hard to say when that might happen.

Without Covid and the flat cap, the Rangers likely could have re-signed Strome and given Chytil more time to grow into the 2c role. But now that plan may be too expensive. It may force them to rely on Chytil earlier than ideal. And it may lead to going after a much cheaper middle C option. But we'll see.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think smith is tradeable

I fully expect to see Staal back

and Lundqvist bought out

what to do with three anchors?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

@Edge @bobbop - Sorry if either of you have mentioned this before, but I was wondering if you've heard anything about the Rangers having an internal cap this season.

Maybe not an internal cap, but they could go for some extra cap space to account for potential performance bonuses. I always felt the Namestnikov trade was solely for the purpose of creating a bonus cushion. This upcoming season we have Fox, Kakko, Shestyorkin and Lafreniere likely to hit some bonuses. That can really add up quickly. And sure, you can have those bonuses roll over to next season, but you'd just delay the inevitable, because the following season you have Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox and Miller/Lundkvist eligible for PBs

 

[Avery16]

So now we have gone from looking at top 2 lines on teams and defining it by those teams that have a "decent" chance of winning the Cup?

1) Nice job of moving the goal posts 2) Define what "decent" means.

This is becoming the MIT argument:

"Hey look at that. I graduated from MIT"
"Eh"
"But it's MIT"
"But you did not graduate top-10".

I'm sorry, I thought the whole point of this sport was to win a championship.

 

[Avery16]

what to do with three anchors?

Go nowhere, fast.

 

[Tawnos]

If he were available, and if the cost wasn't prohibitive, why not play Chytil at 2C and Roslovic at 3C?

Because Strome is the better option to play 2C or 3C compared to Roslovic.

 

[True Blue]

Explain to us why four years.

First of all, I said 2-4. Second of all, I believe that a 2-4 year contract works for both sides. Strome continues to improve his value by playing with one of the top players in the league and still hits UFA by 30. Rangers have a stop gap insurance policy that they know works and is signed to a very reasonable contract.

You’re not only requesting an immediate solution for today but asking me to make that decision for each of the next four years. Is your crystal ball saying panic? Panic as if none of these kids will develop

Yes, I am asking you if not Strome, then who? What is your plan?

I doubt that you can point to anywhere in any of my posts about this that alludes to any type of panic.

Now answer the question that I have asked you multiple times to answer.

Honestly, i don’t think anybody can proclaim with certainty that Strome’s numbers aren’t due to Panarin. Panarin was scoring well before Strome.

He scored 33 points in 63 games, long before Panarin arrived. That makes for a 43 p0int full season.

Why four years? What’s wrong with one or two?

See above

 

[True Blue]

I'm sorry, I thought the whole point of this sport was to win a championship.

Ok. I will bite.

1) Chytil gives you a better chance of winning the championship than Strome does right now?
2) The team is entering it's window. If not Strome, then who is centering Panarin right now?
3) What contender did not win a championship with a 70 point center on their second line?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Smith can be waived to save extra dough, a buyout there which would result in carrying extra space next year makes it the worst option of the 3.

Staal is THE guy that should be bought out in terms of savings+lack of performance. I know the FO doesn't look at it this way, but its not like it would be super hard to upgrade his position on the team.

 

[SA16]

Anyone interested in trading Buch ideally for LD and then taking a flier on Bobby Ryan to fill his spot?

 

[NYSPORTS]

First of all, I said 2-4. Second of all, I believe that a 2-4 year contract works for both sides. Strome continues to improve his value by playing with one of the top players in the league and still hits UFA by 30. Rangers have a stop gap insurance policy that they know works and is signed to a very reasonable contract.

Yes, I am asking you if not Strome, then who? What is your plan?

I doubt that you can point to anywhere in any of my posts about this that alludes to any type of panic.

Now answer the question that I have asked you multiple times to answer.

He scored 33 points in 63 games, long before Panarin arrived. That makes for a 43 p0int full season.

See above

you posted four. Doubt anybody would be making mention of much if you posted one or two years.

Regardless, i’m waiting for the market to develop before making any offers. One year, fine. Two years, maybe. I’ll see what the market is before offering $5 million.

(edit) and Avery just posted the QO for a Stome is $3.2 million. So we just save $1.8 million for one year already. See how the market develops.

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way just makes me angry the Lou lams love fest. Looking at buy out candidates. Boychuk and Ladd he gave them basically buyout proof contracts. Horrible job. There’s virtually no savings. You look at their options they have really no way to buy out anyone and save any actual money over any amount of time. He’s going to be up to his elbows trying to figure this out.

 

[Raspewtin]

This is gonna be the 4th buyout period Marc Staal survives and I just want everyone to remember that this organization values Staal and always has even when it's been face-punchingly evident that he's not an NHL player right now.

 

[Tob]

Smith can be waived to save extra dough, a buyout there which would result in carrying extra space next year makes it the worst option of the 3.

Staal is THE guy that should be bought out in terms of savings+lack of performance. I know the FO doesn't look at it this way, but its not like it would be super hard to upgrade his position on the team.

The front office is 100% wanting to ride Igor/Geroge to the playoffs in the next 2 years. Lundqvist buyout isn't some sort of cap or business necessity when Staal has been hurting for a buyout for years and yields more or less the same cap relief as Henrik.

 

[Avery16]

Because Strome is the better option to play 2C or 3C compared to Roslovic.

Ok, but at what cost? Strome is making 3.2 million. If Roslovic got a 100% raise and produced on either line at even 60% of Strome's flukey output last season, its a huge savings.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

By the way just makes me angry the Lou lams love fest. Looking at buy out candidates. Boychuk and Ladd he gave them basically buyout proof contracts. Horrible job. There’s virtually no savings. You look at their options they have really no way to buy out anyone and save any actual money over any amount of time. He’s going to be up to his elbows trying to figure this out.

DinoLou is a senile idiot but those contracts weren't his.

 

[Avery16]

According to cap friendly, Strome didnt meet the GP requirement for an increase on his QO. His QO will be 3.2 million.

Ryan Strome Qualifying Offer Calculator Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'm sorry, I thought the whole point of this sport was to win a championship.

Glen? That you?

This team isn't winning a championship next year or likely the year after that. The goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And Strome doesn't change that either way for the next season or two. What Strome does do is fill a spot while still being productive and not forcing the Rangers to force Chytil into a top six role. And that lets FC to further develop — which is the better if the goal is to be a cup contender for 8 years. And if Chytil forces his way in to the top six at the expense of Strome, what a wonderful problem to have.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Smith is the worst buyout candidate for us

It's Staal or no one imo.

I actually think that Smith isn't an awful piece to have for another season.

 

[Avery16]

Ok. I will bite.

1) Chytil gives you a better chance of winning the championship than Strome does right now?
2) The team is entering it's window. If not Strome, then who is centering Panarin right now?
3) What contender did not win a championship with a 70 point center on their second line?

1) Yes, if not locking him down to a multiyear contract results in us keeping the better players on our roster and/or adding better players. Plus, Chytil is developing well.

2) Chytil or an acquisition.

3) You can hound-dog this one if you like. I'm not going to scour the almanacs to support your horrible argument that Strome is a good 2C.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

you want another Scoring winger? Really?

He plays center or right wing

If he was strictly a winger I could see your point