Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVI

[JCProdigy]

If it's between Drury and Naslund (which it is) then I vote Naslund. Go out gracefully, his number gets retired and guaranteed to land a job with the organization in some capacity for as long as he wants. Kids get to finish out their schooling in NY.

Hey look, Drury didn't seem to build up any animosity from the organization for taking the buyout before retiring as the bold speaks to his exact situation.

 

[Barnaby]

Why are we all so gung ho about trading Georgiev this offseason? I feel like you have to have a decent backup albeit I know Shesty is the real deal.

He’s probably worth a 2nd or more based on potential. That’s potential he may not reach due to playtime or may just not reach for any other reason. Your also letting another controlled salary year tick by. Then his value becomes severely diminished.Why not take the assets and bring in a cheap proven backup like a Talbot for example. I don’t think a drop from Georgiev to a guy like that is overly significant.

If you think Georgiev has high end starting goalie potential and will surpass Shesterkin then you could keep him. Personally, I don’t see that so I’d recoup assets on the investment into him and move on.

Your not wrong if you’d prefer to keep him, but I hate to let an asset lose most of its value when I don’t expect him to make a huge impact next year.

 

[Barnaby]

Once it is legal to do so the Rangers HR department should bring him to Astoria where the streets are filled with young people his age going about their daily lives doing what young people do. You wouldn’t know there is a pandemic going on here.

I don’t even know what this means

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I don’t even know what this means

Astoria, Queens is a neighborhood of NYC that has a large population of young people who work in Manhattan ( and WFH). It has bars, cafes and diverse restaurants. Despite the Covid 19 virus the town is still very active. Whatever Alex
Galchenyuk is looking for outside of hockey he will be able to find it there. They even have a Hymalayan Restaurant.it was reported in The NY Times that if you ate it a different eatery each day in Astoria you wouldn’t be able to eat in all their restaurants in a year. Astoria has at least two outdoor beer gardens one dating back to 1918. Alex Is 26 and single. I believe if he was to visit NYC and the Rangers staff was to include Astoria , Little Odeyssa and other neighborhoods in a tour, it would be an attractive selling point for the UFA rather than playing overseas.

 

[bl02]

He’s probably worth a 2nd or more based on potential. That’s potential he may not reach due to playtime or may just not reach for any other reason. Your also letting another controlled salary year tick by. Then his value becomes severely diminished.Why not take the assets and bring in a cheap proven backup like a Talbot for example. I don’t think a drop from Georgiev to a guy like that is overly significant.

If you think Georgiev has high end starting goalie potential and will surpass Shesterkin then you could keep him. Personally, I don’t see that so I’d recoup assets on the investment into him and move on.

Your not wrong if you’d prefer to keep him, but I hate to let an asset lose most of its value when I don’t expect him to make a huge impact next year.

Yeah I definitely don't think Georgie is on Shesty's level but I would like Shesty to not have to take on a huge workload this coming season. If Shesty plays like we know he can he's easily a top 3-5 goalie in this league.
I guess someone like Talbot wouldn't be a bad fit but I'm not sure how much he would want? Is he gonna take 1.5-2 million on a deal?
I wish we could garner a nice return for Georgie but I don't think he is going to bring back much. I truly hope I am wrong and maybe JG can pull off some magic and include him in a bigger deal that would bring back some nice asset(s).
Maybe its similar to the Fast situation. I'm sure Gorton was offered a paltry return for him at the TDL and he decided to keep him to help the team make a push for the playoffs.

 

[Barnaby]

Yeah I definitely don't think Georgie is on Shesty's level but I would like Shesty to not have to take on a huge workload this coming season. If Shesty plays like we know he can he's easily a top 3-5 goalie in this league.
I guess someone like Talbot wouldn't be a bad fit but I'm not sure how much he would want? Is he gonna take 1.5-2 million on a deal?
I wish we could garner a nice return for Georgie but I don't think he is going to bring back much. I truly hope I am wrong and maybe JG can pull off some magic and include him in a bigger deal that would bring back some nice asset(s).
Maybe its similar to the Fast situation. I'm sure Gorton was offered a paltry return for him at the TDL and he decided to keep him to help the team make a push for the playoffs.

Yea, I wouldn’t trade him just for the sake of trading him. I wouldn’t deal him off for a mid round pick, but I would to potentially recoup a 2nd rounder this year and maybe a prospect. I’d also be willing to move him for a younger player that we think can help out preferably on an ELC.

There are going to be quite a few goalies available on the UFA market and with a flat cap I’d assume some cheap ones too.

Also, curious if AG would welcome a move and a chance to start. Being relegated to backup behind a stud 25 year old goalie may not be a great spot for him either. Obviously, NYR control his contract situation but that could be an underlying factor.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How much do we save if Henrik retires?

8.5m

 

[egelband]

Shit like this makes me really appreciate Gorton. Not only did he blow the team the f*** UP, he even wrote us a letter telling us he was going to. There was no ambiguity.

Gotta give Sather some credit too. But, yeah. I totally agree. Good management.

 

[egelband]

I mean their center group now includes Kunin/JEE, Bjugstad, Rask, and apparently Guerin sees Johansson as a center as well. That might be the worst group in the league by a considerable margin.

@Webster EXPLANATION PLEASE.

 

[egelband]

Maybe a silly question but would anyone take Eric Staal back as a piece if Buffalo wanted Strome? Say Staal + BUF 2nd ‘20 + BUF 2nd ‘21 for Strome

1 year stop gap at a reasonable salary. Could be 3C or 2C as needed

Interesting. But I'd that any good for Buffalo? Is Strome better than Staal? Why not just keep Staal and the picks?

 

[egelband]

Who needs centers...

We don’t. Sort of.

 

[egelband]

Gorton is going to shock the world and sign Galchenyuk as a UFA.

Sure. On a two-way deal for the minimum.

 

[egelband]

Why are we all so gung ho about trading Georgiev this offseason? I feel like you have to have a decent backup albeit I know Shesty is the real deal.

No need. You’re absolutely right. But his value is quite high now (with some GMs, at least; that’s fair to say, no?).
And we don’t really need a future-starter-type as backup. A standard vet backup would be fine.
And, personally, I’d say he deserves a shot to be a starter.
But , absolutely, he would be fine to have as the 1B or backup with Igor. Just kind of a luxury, I think.

 

[egelband]

Strome for 9, done

Strome and Georgiev and 22 for 9?

 

[egelband]

Good to hear. I think Houston would be a good NHL market. The Edmonton Oilers almost moved there in the mid-late 1990s (was within hours of happening until the local group came in and bought the team from Peter Pocklington). I don't know if they've ever played hockey in the place the NBA Rockets play (forgot the name of it; maybe the Toyota Center?), but they can put an ice making machine in and tweak the seats to push them back for hockey.

I really hope we don’t lose any more Canadian teams. In fact I’d love the Nords back and even a second Toronto (ish) team.

 

[egelband]

He threatened to go ape when it wasn’t funky monkey Friday. Very serious offense.

That shit’s bananas.

 

[egelband]

Trading Georgiev is less about getting a big return and more about the fact that we won't have to pay him. Most teams don't want to pay 3-4 million dollars for a backup, and if NYR end up keeping ADA and Strome he's gonna need to go to fit under the cap.

Another thought. Georgiev might have more value after the expansion draft. We keep him through the draft and get something better afterword for the effort. Just spitballing.

 

[egelband]

Hey look, Drury didn't seem to build up any animosity from the organization for taking the buyout before retiring as the bold speaks to his exact situation.

Ha! Good point. I never thought of that. Seriously. Need to hire Richards, though, to knock this one on the head.

(seriously, though, I’m fine with Hank as the backup for another year or two, for the record.)

 

[egelband]

Astoria, Queens is a neighborhood of NYC that has a large population of young people who work in Manhattan ( and WFH). It has bars, cafes and diverse restaurants. Despite the Covid 19 virus the town is still very active. Whatever Alex
Galchenyuk is looking for outside of hockey he will be able to find it there. They even have a Hymalayan Restaurant.it was reported in The NY Times that if you ate it a different eatery each day in Astoria you wouldn’t be able to eat in all their restaurants in a year. Astoria has at least two outdoor beer gardens one dating back to 1918. Alex Is 26 and single. I believe if he was to visit NYC and the Rangers staff was to include Astoria , Little Odeyssa and other neighborhoods in a tour, it would be an attractive selling point for the UFA rather than playing overseas.

So we’re giving Galchenyuk the Lebron treatment? I wonder what Hartford has to offer a single fella on the make...

 

[egelband]

Yeah I definitely don't think Georgie is on Shesty's level but I would like Shesty to not have to take on a huge workload this coming season. If Shesty plays like we know he can he's easily a top 3-5 goalie in this league.
I guess someone like Talbot wouldn't be a bad fit but I'm not sure how much he would want? Is he gonna take 1.5-2 million on a deal?
I wish we could garner a nice return for Georgie but I don't think he is going to bring back much. I truly hope I am wrong and maybe JG can pull off some magic and include him in a bigger deal that would bring back some nice asset(s).
Maybe its similar to the Fast situation. I'm sure Gorton was offered a paltry return for him at the TDL and he decided to keep him to help the team make a push for the playoffs.

Yeah. If you think of it that way, keeping G makes sense. (Though is still be fine keeping Hank as a backup). But barring Hank, G is a fine guy to pair with Igor. I still would like G to get a shot to be a starter somewhere.

 

[egelband]

Sorry for the flood of posts. But am I the only one awake now? What if we get attacked!

 

[gravey9]

Sorry for the flood of posts. But am I the only one awake now? What if we get attacked!

yes, you're the only one awake right now.

 

[gravey9]

Another thought. Georgiev might have more value after the expansion draft. We keep him through the draft and get something better afterword for the effort. Just spitballing.

Well, if they can only get a 2nd round pick for him now, why not just wait until the deadline or next offseason? Are we losing out on all that much by keeping him? Even if we lose him for nothing at the expansion draft it's fine if it means he's our backup next year. Now, if we can get considerably more, like a legit NHL player in return, then that's a different convo.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Galchenyuk has had KHL written all over him for a long time

We should sign him for league minimum so we can play him with Khodorenko on the "undercover line"

 

[Anzi]

Interesting quote from Reshaping the Rangers: Assessing the team's options at forward in '20-21

But as somebody in the organization said, “I didn’t know that when we lost one player, we would lose three.”
The inference was that by removing Fast from the line with Hart Trophy finalists Artemi Panarin and Ryan Strome, that line disappeared from the series.

Seems like some in the organization believe that losing Fast early in the series was a huge part of why some of our top players were so ineffective. Based off some of the fancy stats I've seen, Fast carried that line defensively while Panarin and Strome carried it offensively. Fast seems like he's on his way out though so going to be interesting to see what the new lines will be and whether our top 2 lines will be as effective as they were this past season.